Talk:Niagara Frontier

Map

I created a map of the region for this article. Let me know if you think it's too busy, but I thought it important to show major routes around the region. (WT-en) LtPowers 09:55, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Don't think it's too busy. My only comments would be the town/city dots are a little large (IMHO), and also the grey fade around the image is a little distracting. Agree it's useful to have the major routes shown though. (WT-en) Nrms 10:00, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Well most of the dots actually represent the developed areas fairly closely, although Niagara Falls and Buffalo are much larger and Warsaw, Eden, and Clarence are much smaller. =) I can see how they might be a little distracting though. The gray fading was an attempt to improve on what I did for my Finger Lakes map. I'm still experimenting I guess. (WT-en) LtPowers 10:15, 4 November 2008 (EST)

I don't mind it so much on the Finger Lakes map... Think the gradient is more subtle. I found my eye being drawn more to it on the Niagra map. I think I was also getting an optical illusion of the image not being flat - kind of as if I were looking at a globe or pages in a book. Experiementing is the only way we learn anything though :) (WT-en) Nrms 10:34, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Here's a new map (with the older one for comparison):

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3 : Image:New York - Niagara Frontier region map 3.png - NEW (file no longer exists)
Let me know what you think. (WT-en) LtPowers 09:15, 13 November 2008 (EST)

Hmmm... Not sure which I prefer actually :-\ Don't seem to be getting that optical illuseion effect with either this time. If you really want a fade effect, have you tried fading to white instead of grey? :) (WT-en) Nrms 17:21, 13 November 2008 (EST)

I've thought about it but I haven't tried it yet. Grey is our normal background color for maps, but maybe it's not clear that it's a background. (WT-en) LtPowers 18:43, 13 November 2008 (EST)

The white didn't work so well (it had the same problem, only brighter!). Instead, I tried another method of making the fade effect, more similar to what I did with the Finger Lakes map. It's now the third option above. (WT-en) LtPowers 19:45, 13 November 2008 (EST)

I like N 3, but my opinion dont matter really,eh? Keeep smiling,(WT-en) ee ^talk 19:47, 13 November 2008 (EST).

Everyone's opinion matters. This is a wiki, after all. (WT-en) LtPowers 20:16, 13 November 2008 (EST)

3 works for me as well :) (WT-en) Nrms 08:52, 18 November 2008 (EST)

Done. Thanks for the input. =) (WT-en) LtPowers 09:25, 18 November 2008 (EST)

Northtowns/Southtowns

I noticed that Wikivoyage doesn't have an article for Erie County, but rather for the "Northtowns" and the "Southtowns". It's true that those two words are used and understood by the locals, but I'm not sure that parsing things that finely is necessary from a traveller's perspective (especially given that most of the articles don't exist yet).

And anyway, "Northtowns" and "Southtowns" are understood to refer to suburbs only, yet the City of Buffalo is grouped in with the Northtowns.

This is certainly a low-priority quibble given the workload I have here on WV from now through May, but I intend to revisit this issue later if the consensus to do so is favorable.

-- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 08:31, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Given the size of the other counties, it didn't seem to make sense to have just a single article for Erie County. And I had to put Buffalo somewhere. What do you propose as an alternative? LtPowers (talk) 15:23, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

I think having a single Erie County article would be fine. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 17:52, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Alternatively, we could have an Erie County article that is, in turn, divided into Northtowns, Southtowns, and City of Buffalo.

Again, this is all pretty trivial, but since I've been aware of it, it's kind of been stuck in my craw. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 21:35, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

It just seems like a lot compared with the other four counties, but it's hard to tell until they all get filled out. LtPowers (talk) 01:32, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Nine cities

Since all of the subregions have articles, I pared down this list to our standard of nine. I included Le Roy (New York) so that Genesee County isn't represented by just one community, but that leaves out other destinations like Clarence and Arcade. Also, I felt weird leaving out the Wyoming County seat (and largest village) of Warsaw (New York), but as far as I can tell there's just not a whole lot to do there. Not that Le Roy is much better, which is why I'm bringing it up here. I'd appreciate additional input on what cities should be on the list. LtPowers (talk) 15:08, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Looks good to me, in general. For a Wyoming County destination, if we're not going to go with Warsaw, I might be inclined to choose Castile over Wyoming. Castile is not quite as historic as Wyoming (if listings on the National Register of Historic Places is an accurate barometer), but it does contain Silver Lake State Park and serves as the gateway to Letchworth State Park.

As for Buffalo suburbs, I'd go with Tonawanda and North Tonawanda (jointly) rather than Hamburg. Hamburg does have its share of destinations, but it's still considered fairly "off the beaten path" even by Erie County residents. (Though it should be said that I'm a lifelong Northtowner, so perhaps I'm biased.) However, the Tonawandas have a gamut of attractions equal to Hamburg's, and also let's consider the type of attractions that each place has. Shopping malls, county fairgrounds, and racinos are nice, but there are dozens of cities in the United States that have those. Antique carousel museums, charming canalside downtowns, and restored silent movie palaces (N.T.'s Riviera Theatre) are far more unique and distinctive.

-- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 17:19, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Regarding Castile, we can always add Silver Lake as an Other Destination. Regarding the Tonawandas, I feel it's crowding that area of the map a bit, and I'm reluctant to add two cities as one entry. (I grow increasingly uncomfortable with my long-ago decision to do so on Pennsylvania.) The Tonawandas may be a fine destination, but this region is littered with charming canalside downtowns. =) Also, remember that geographical diversity is a goal as well, and Hamburg is the only Southtown on the list currently. LtPowers (talk) 18:02, 25 September 2013 (UTC)