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Regions[edit]

I suggest a subdivision of Saxony in the three "provinces" (Regierungsbezirke) of Chemnitz, Dresden and Leipzig. Any objections?, --(WT-en) ClausHansen 13:55, 12 August 2010 (EDT)

I don't think these are good regions as no traveller outside of Germany will ever recognize them, and they feel too political and set-up. What just about Western Saxony, Central Saxony and Eastern Saxony? --(WT-en) globe-trotter 16:10, 12 August 2010 (EDT)
I am fine with that too, but given the shape of Saxony, I guess it would be NW, SW and E, --(WT-en) ClausHansen 16:35, 12 August 2010 (EDT)
Definitely, not. How will Bautzen and the whole Oberlausitz fit into this division? And what about Vogtland? For me, the division here looks a very reasonable starting point. It does capture the actual cultural differences. The thing may be to make the region names easier for foreigners. (WT-en) Atsirlin 17:35, 12 August 2010 (EDT)
That would give us
Saxon Erz Mountains — Chemnitz, Aue, Oberwiesenthal
Upper Lusatia — Bautzen, Görlitz, Hoyerswerda
Leipzig Lowlands — Leipzig
Central Saxon Hills — Hainichen
Saxon Elbland — Dresden, Meissen, Radebeul, Riesa, Freital, Radebeul, Moritzburg, Pillnitz
Saxon Switzerland — Bad Schandau, Königstein
Vogtland —
West Saxony — Zwickau
This appears to be a bit too many regions with the limited number of cities so far, could any be merged?, --(WT-en) ClausHansen 03:14, 13 August 2010 (EDT)
Bautzen and Oberlausitz would obviously fall under East, while Vogtland would fall under West. But I agree, we could better try it a bit more geographical, historical and cultural. The regions from Atsirlin definitely seem like a great start, but they seem too many for the small land that is Saxony. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 19:25, 12 August 2010 (EDT)

OK. Since you are fine with the idea to make the subdivision more cultural, here is a suggestion from my side:

Erzgebirge (Saxon Ore Mountaints): Chemnitz, Freiberg, Oberwiesenthal, Zwickau, Annaberg-Buchholz, Zschopau valley, Altenberg
Leipzig region: Leipzig, Wurzen, Oschatz, Grimma, Döbeln, Hainichen
Oberlausitz (Upper Lusatia): Bautzen, Görlitz, Zittau, Oybin, Hoyerswerda, Kamenz
Saxon Elbland: Elbe Valley + Saxon Switzerland + at least one more part (Grossenhain, Riesa, Torgau, Lommatzsch)
Vogtland: Plauen, Reichenbach, Oelsnitz, Makneukirchen, Bad Elster, Adorf

I understand that half of the articles do not exist. However, the whole Saxony is in its very early outline stage.(WT-en) Atsirlin 09:12, 13 August 2010 (EDT)

I can support that. I guess this means that West Saxony is merged into Erzgebirge and that Leipzig Lowlands and Central Saxon Hills are merged into Leipzig Region? What do you mean by "+ at least one more part"?, --(WT-en) ClausHansen 10:12, 13 August 2010 (EDT)
Your guess is correct) "At least one more part" means that we have many cities and diverse landscapes along the Elbe. Therefore, a further subdivision may be appropriate. Alternatively, we can put Saxon Switzerland, Elbe Valley (or Dresden region if you like), and smth else with the lower part of the Elbe as three separate parts of Saxony. (WT-en) Atsirlin 10:26, 13 August 2010 (EDT)
Regions of Saxony
I have created the map to show what the regions will look like. When creating the map, I have also included the Central Hills and West Saxony, but they could be absorbed if we agree on that here. I do think we'd need a different name for Leipzig Area — the Saxony Tourism Agency calls that region Saxon Castle and Heathland, which I think is a better name. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 22:17, 13 August 2010 (EDT)
OK, detailed comments are as follows:
    • West Saxony: I do not understand the bordering and the identity of this region. Chemnitz and Zwickau are not really Erzgebirge, that's true. On the other hand, they are close to the mountains, a natural way to the mountains, etc. Therefore, I would definitely merge West Saxony and Saxon Ore Mountains
    • Central Saxon Hills and Leipzig Lowlands: well, they can be merged or left as they are. The terrain is indeed a bit different, but the cultural aspects are quite the same: a mixture of historical and industrial (or former industrial) towns. The name Saxon Castle and Heathland does not look appropriate, because there are many castles in other parts of Saxony (e.g., Zschopau valley in Erzgebirge) and it is not a heathland any more. Leave it as Leipzig Lowlands or Leizpig Lowlands and Central Saxon Hills.
    • The regions along the Elbe are most problematic. Saxon Switzerland is now a separate region, fine. But the terrain near Dresden and further down the Elbe are quite different. Moreover, we will easily have more than 9 destinations here (Dresden, Pirna, Pillnitz, Freital, Radebeul, Meissen, Moritzburg, Riesa, Torgau, Grossenhain, Strehla). I still suggest two separate regions (if you like, Dresden valley and North Saxony, the boundary is between Meissen and Riesa) or a single Saxon Elbland with a further subdivision. (WT-en) Atsirlin 08:07, 14 August 2010 (EDT)
Thanks once more for your insight. I think we all agree that West Saxony should be merged into the Ore Mountains. About the Saxon Elbland, I'd rather not have any further subdivisions. As we already lost West Saxony, I suppose there is room for another region. But I don't think there wouldn't be much to see in the region north of Elbland (besides Torgau). Is there a possibily to combine the region of North Saxony with the Leipzig Lowlands and the Central Saxon Hills? --(WT-en) globe-trotter 10:58, 15 August 2010 (EDT)
In my opinion, places like Strehla are also quite interesting. The whole Torgau region is more Lutheran (as Saxony-Anhalt) and thus different from luxurious Saxony. But this is just a personal feeling. For the moment, you can definitely merge Torgau into the Leipzig region, and let's see how it develops. (WT-en) Atsirlin 18:40, 15 August 2010 (EDT)
I have adapted the map according to what you've written. Is it okay this way? I put the boundary of the Leipzig Region and the Saxon Elbland between Reisa and Meissen. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 20:20, 15 August 2010 (EDT)
Yes, let's leave it like that. Thank you for your efforts. (WT-en) Atsirlin 04:12, 16 August 2010 (EDT)

Placing Riesa within the Leipzig region is pretty counter-intuitive. It is more strongly linked to Dresden in terms of infrastructure and economy. And it is clearly part of the Saxon Elbland region as defined by the eponymous tourism association. While I understand why Torgau is excluded from this region (being much more conveniently accessible from Leipzig), I see no reason to make an exception for Riesa. --RJFF (talk) 10:29, 27 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Globe-trotter, Hobbitschuster: Do you agree? @Ypsilon: Would you volunteer to edit the map accordingly (the whole district of Meißen, see this map, should be placed in the Saxon Elbland region instead of cutting off the bit around Riesa and placing it with the Leipzig Lowlands)? Thank you in advance. --RJFF (talk) 10:03, 13 November 2016 (UTC) P.S. One more argument: Riesa also belongs to the same natural landscape as Dresden and Meißen, see this map. --RJFF (talk) 10:11, 13 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I've made a revised version of the map with the entire Meissen district "turned blue". I'll upload it as a replacement in a few days if there are no complaints about this arrangement. ϒpsilon (talk) 16:04, 13 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Hello @Ypsilon: I don't think there will be any objection. Should we proceed? Kind regards, --RJFF (talk) 11:12, 22 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oops, I totally forgot about this one. New map uploaded now. ϒpsilon (talk) 11:24, 22 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! --RJFF (talk) 19:20, 22 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Dynamic Map[edit]

I am pulling the dynamic map here, as it quite clearly does not match the static map and has overlapping "regions" (certainly a non-no) Hobbitschuster (talk) 21:28, 24 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

ICE-turned-RE from Nuremberg[edit]

@Hobbitschuster: I totally understand the temptation to mention abandoned transport connections that we may still be accustomed to (I often notice myself writing something like "it used to be such-and-such, but now it's so-and-so"). But I wonder if this information has any relevance to users preparing their trip to Saxony in 2019. To them it is just a regional express like any other. And I doubt anyone bothers to take the RE from Nuremberg to Leipzig (taking more than four hours while the ICE needs just over two). Don't get me wrong: This connection is certainly important for Upper Franconia (Lichtenfels etc) and Eastern Thuringia (Jena, Saalfeld), but it is not advisable for someone going all the way from Nuremberg to Leipzig.

Also I doubt if the "See" section is the right place to discuss the reasons for the bombing of Dresden. This should only be a short summary of Saxony's sights. I just wanted to mention that—unlike the well-known example of Dresden—many smaller towns did not lose much of their old town centres. The right place to mention the reasons of the bombing would be, in my opinion, Dresden#Understand. Kind regards, --RJFF (talk) 15:51, 8 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There is a special ticket valid on those trains that may be worth it. Your call whether we explicitly add that or strike out the mention of this regional train. Hobbitschuster (talk) 18:50, 8 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]