Talk:Sibulan

Sibulan information should be merged with Dumaguete

I know this area well and, indeed, over the years have added much of the material on Dumaguete.

It is quite disingenuous and does a disservice to both Dumaguete & Sibulan and to travellers to artificially separate them - they are irrevocably joined at the hip whatever the historical municipal boundaries may indicate and I very much object to my recent listing of Dumaguete's golf course being moved to this artificial article to constitute about the only listing of substance!

What little information here should be merged with our Dumaguete article and this page become a re-direct to there.

--222.127.76.207 08:32, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

I don't object, but let's wait a few days and see what others who know the area have to say. If they agree with you, the merge can be done soon. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:48, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Fair enough, but we don't have separate articles on Brighton and Hove, or Stoke-on-Trent and Newcastle-under-Lyme which are far more distinctive communities with boundaries that are rather more natural and apparent and of equally long historic duration. This article was only created a few weeks ago by someone that I suspect has not yet had much opportunity to explore the area thoroughly on foot or motorcycle - although even he did not move Sibulan airport (DGT) here, as would have been logical if you did not care about helping travellers... --222.127.76.207 08:57, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

User:Pashley, who created this article, is currently living in Dumaguete. He'll doubtless express an opinion and may well be planning on enlarging this article. I don't know the area; all I know is that as long as there is a Sibulan article, listings in Sibulan belong in it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:02, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

That's precisely my point in suggesting that it become a re-direct - otherwise the inexorable logic of your moving the Dumaguete Golf Course entry here is that you go and move Sibulan airport (and a few other listings) too... --222.127.76.207 09:07, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Well, you've stated your point very clearly. Let's see what Pashley and others say. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:11, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

I am inclined to agree with a redirect, though I do not know the place well enough to be certain. I wonder if other articles I created like Valencia (Negros Oriental) or Dauin should be merged as well. Pashley (talk) 09:13, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Current text in Dumaguete includes "There are a number of nearby places — Sibulan, Valencia, Bacong and Dauin — which are administered as separate towns but are effectively suburbs of Dumaguete. We have separate articles for each of those; this article covers only the city proper." Would it be realistic to rewrite that & redirect all those to D? Are there others? Pashley (talk) 09:17, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Each of those articles are a separate judgement call. I've only been travelling extensively in Negros for about 20 years - but my extended family are usually a good source of information for most of the Visayas (including Palawan). My judgement would be not to artificially create articles for every little barangay and municipal sub-division, but rather adopt the approach we adopt for some huge cities of more than 20 million like - wait until the main article becomes so huge and unwieldy that it is obvious a split is needed. (I was actually quite surprised that we don't have separate articles on Burslem, Tunstall, Hanley, Newcastle under Lyme, etc, when there is more than enough information to fill travel guides (especially with the separate histories of Wedgewood and Royal Doulton and the various town museums). Tourism is quite a delicate enough child in the Philippines as it is and it would be nice to get an article to Star status before we start removing listings like "Dumaguete's" Golf course and Airport... About 300 relatives are coming from far and wide to celebrate a family birthday next weekend and I will ask their thoughts, but my immediate thought is that none of those places you mention, Pashley, (with the possible exception of Valencia) have enough "meat to make a sandwich" but the crucial question for me is what are the more natural divisions for travellers that will help them get the best out of this area where often the staff in the official travel bureaux know relatively little and you need to know the local dialects to find some of the unspoiled places (Mabinay is a case in point)... --222.127.76.207 11:23, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

The Dumaguete article currently has listings for Mount Talinis and the Twin Lakes which are technically in Valencia & Sibulan respectively. I put the waterfall listing and picture in V, but someone has copied the picture to D. It looks to me like D, V and S should merge and all those listings plus golf course, airport & others go in the merged D article. Leave Bacong and Dauin separate for now, maybe merge later. Pashley (talk) 03:10, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

We seem to pretty much have a consensus that some merging would be a good idea, Is my summary/suggestion to merge D, V and S acceptable to others? Should the question also be raised at Talk:Dumaguete to see if others want to chime in? Most important, do we have a volunteer to actually do the work? I am travelling, will not have time for it anytime soon. Pashley (talk) 12:41, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

I have done the D S V merge. Pashley (talk) 03:49, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

See Talk:Dumaguete#Merge_in_nearby_towns.3F for more. Pashley (talk) 14:09, 7 May 2015 (UTC)