Talk:Wine

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Welcome. I have created this page as a resource for people who are interested in visiting the great wine producing regions of the world. I have visited a few, and hope to eventually visit a lot more. I hope others with a similar interest will help to make this a useful site.

(WT-en) Brhumphreys 16:35, 24 February 2008 (EST)

This idea has lots of potential. Some thoughts for further development and organization:

• on Wine tourism there would be only general information that applies everywhere, like instructions on how to visit a winery, ideas on how to explore a region and where to sleep, etc., and a list of wine regions by country
• the wine regions themselves (for example Napa Valley or Chianti, but not California or Tuscany in general as they are so much more than just wine regions) would have more elaborate pages on what kind of wine they produce, what kinds of particular details there may be, and listings of wineries
• some info could be put in the main country articles as well under the Drink section, but this depends on the country: in Italy it makes sense, but the US for example may be too large and diverse to put a lot of info about its wines on the main page

I have tried to work out these ideas on pages about Italy. Further thoughts are appreciated! (WT-en) Timo Laine 08:24, 19 June 2008 (EDT)

Recognizing tourist traps

How would you experts recommend to recognize whether a winery is surely a tourist trap or not? As one of examples, in Hungary or Peloponese or Santorini--where I've been. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 16:46, 19 June 2008 (EDT)

That's a tough one to answer. In South Africa most wineries seem to have become tourist traps. I can buy a bottle of Nederburg or KWV cheaper in my local Johannesburg liquor store than I can on the estate in Paarl. At others, such as Rhebokskloof (if it has not changes since last I was there), one can still get a bottle at a good price and even find some that they only sell locally and do not distribute. --(WT-en) Nick 17:15, 19 June 2008 (EDT)

Would be great if we end up with some recommendations on this, incorporated into the article. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 16:50, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

General rules are hard to spell out. At least in Italy the danger is not too great. I have visited several wineries, sometimes quite indiscriminately, and not one in my opinion qualifies as a tourist trap. Of course it depends on the definition of a tourist trap. (WT-en) Timo Laine 04:19, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

I agree with Timo and Nick. While I appreciate the need for information of this sort, in my experience it is difficult to generalize. I would characterize an arranged tasting I had once in Montalcino as a tourist trap experience because the owner charged us full retail (60€) for a bottle of his wine, which constituted our tasting. I have done a lot of tastings at many, many wineries in Italy, Spain, France, and Germany (plus California and the mid-Atlantic in the US), and have not come across many places I'd call tourist traps. But I am choosing places out of wine guide books, Wine Spectator, etc. Usually, if you are at the place where the wine is made, you are unlikely to have a bad experience. I would be happy to draft a section on selecting tastings that might address this problem. I would be interested in hearing about other wine tasting tourist trap experiences. --(WT-en) Brhumphreys 21:31, 7 September 2008 (EDT)

> I would be happy to draft a section on selecting tastings

I believe that any content that can help to introduce a novice into this topic would be highly appreciated here. So definitely please plunge forward. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 13:54, 8 September 2008 (EDT)

To Usable

This article is currently an Outline, which at least in theory means it is threatened with deletion. It obviously would be a shame for this kind of article to be deleted, but currently, it's kind of listy. Some ideas for improving the article that were posted in 2008 (including what kind of wines particular areas produce, listings of particularly interesting wineries, and perhaps information to novices on what to expect from a tasting or/and how to select good places to visit for tastings) still apply. Do you have others? If someone wanted to post maps of places that are major wine-growing areas, that could be helpful. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:49, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

I'm not clear why you linked to our "Avoid long lists" policy; the longest list here is only 13 items. Also, I didn't recall that we were applying the one-year rule to travel topics; do you remember where and when that was decided? Powers ^(talk) 20:36, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

No, I don't know. Is it untrue that a travel topic is threatened with deletion if it's an Outline without edits for a year? The reason I linked to "avoid long lists" is that I couldn't figure out where else to link, but I know that lists without further description are frowned upon on this site. What's the correct policy to link to? Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:26, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

The "merge or expand" note was added to Template:Outlinetopic and the accompanying "eligible for deletion after a year" condition was codified in policy at Wikivoyage:Deletion policy#Reasons to delete articles 4 years ago, after discussion at Wikivoyage talk:Deletion policy#Travel topics. Texugo (talk) 21:53, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. Anyway, we have lots of travel topics that are little more than lists; I don't think that alone should disqualify a topic for usable status. While it's true that at the moment this is little more than a list of wine regions, that in and of itself is not bad. There's certainly a lot more that could be said, though. Powers ^(talk) 01:02, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

This article might be marginally Usable in its current form (though I think that's questionable and would suggest that it is still an Outline), but it is not yet good. Perhaps what we should focus on is what changes could make it good. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:15, 10 June 2014 (UTC)