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Hello, Robkelk! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

To help get you started contributing, we've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and style, as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page. If you need help, check out Help, or post a message in the travellers' pub. If you are familiar with Wikipedia, take a look over some of the differences here. Thank you for your excellent edits to Ottawa. Ground Zero (talk) 05:24, 15 January 2017 (UTC)Reply

Using a consistent formatting style for dates and times makes it easier for readers to find the information, and makes Wikivoyage look better organized. Using different formats within a a an article looks particularly messy. For 12-hour clock, Wikivoyage's policy on time and date formatting tells us to use this format: M Tu 9AM-5PM; W 10AM-5PM; Th F 9AM-7PM; Sa Sun noon-5PM. Ground Zero (talk) 14:58, 30 July 2017 (UTC)Reply

The local format in Gatineau is a 24-hour clock, and local signs are posted with that format. I'll do a sweep through the page once I've finished getting all of the data into it, and make the times consistent. --Robkelk (talk) 15:22, 30 July 2017 (UTC)Reply
Okay. WV:TDF also offers a 24-hour format with the times above replaced by 09:00-17:00, etc. Ground Zero (talk) 17:52, 30 July 2017 (UTC)Reply

For days of the week, per WV:TDF, we

"Abbreviate to the minimum number of letters – M Tu W Th F Sa Su – in lists and where space is short."

Ground Zero (talk) 19:19, 30 July 2017 (UTC)Reply

Rob, I appreciate your contributions, but I must ask you to please respect the fact that the Wikivoyage community has chosen time and date formats and use them. They aren't the formats that I would choose, but I accept that it is easier for travellers to find information if we use consistent formats as much as possible. Please don't make work for other editors, when it is just as easy for you to use the correct formats in the first place. Thank you. Ground Zero (talk) 01:31, 11 August 2017 (UTC)Reply

I thought I was using the Wikivoyage time format. --Robkelk (talk) 18:01, 12 August 2017 (UTC)Reply

Here are some key points from WV:TDF:

  • Use one of these formats: 09:30–17:00 or 9:30AM–5PM. Do not use both 24- and 12-hour formats within one article. Choose between formats by following predominant local usage. Ask yourself which format visitors will see in timetables, on shop doors and in newspapers.

24-hour format:

  • Use 00:00 for midnight and 12:00 for noon.

12-hour format:

  • Use upper case "AM" and "PM".
  • Use noon and midnight, not 12PM and 12AM.

Days of the week:

  • Abbreviate to the minimum number of letters – M Tu W Th F Sa Su – in lists and where space is short.
  • When combining days with time, put the days first: M–F 10AM–2PM, not 10AM–2PM M–F.

I hope this clarifies things for you. Regards, Ground Zero (talk) 18:30, 12 August 2017 (UTC)Reply

So we have two time formats, mutually exclusive. (sigh). When I do documentation for pay, I charge extra for that... --Robkelk (talk) 19:15, 12 August 2017 (UTC)Reply
Yeah, I don't particularly like that policy either. It would be better to have one format, but I doubt that people would be willing to change it. You can always propose a change and see what people say. While two formats within the guide don't look great, using a variety of formats within an article really looks bad. That's what I'm trying to avoid. Ground Zero (talk) 22:48, 12 August 2017 (UTC)Reply
What would be great would be to have a time conversion template like the distance conversion template - if someone who knows about templates would like to create one. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:26, 16 January 2018 (UTC)Reply

A Barncompass for you[edit]

The Wikivoyage Barncompass
Thanks for your great contribution in Wikivoyage edit-a-thon 2018!

ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 18:40, 2 March 2018 (UTC)Reply


I question this edit as the former "ville de La Baie" in Saguenay is not the same animal as La Malbaie. One's on the Saguenay river, the other's on the lower St. Lawrence river. Is there some other tie linking the CFB Bagotville air base in Saguenay to the G7? K7L (talk) 22:53, 31 May 2018 (UTC)Reply

As mentioned in the pages that I linked to in the notice, some of the G7 summit members will be coming into the country through CFB Bagotville. There will be air traffic restrictions in the area throughout the weekend. --Robkelk (talk) 22:55, 31 May 2018 (UTC)Reply
So the disruptions in Saguenay are confined to the base itself and the associated air traffic? That should probably be clarified. K7L (talk) 22:59, 31 May 2018 (UTC)Reply
True. Done. --Robkelk (talk) 23:00, 31 May 2018 (UTC)Reply
Thanks. K7L (talk) 23:01, 31 May 2018 (UTC)Reply

Community Insights Survey[edit]

RMaung (WMF) 14:31, 9 September 2019 (UTC)Reply

Reminder: Community Insights Survey[edit]

RMaung (WMF) 19:12, 20 September 2019 (UTC)Reply

Reminder: Community Insights Survey[edit]

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We sent you an e-mail[edit]

Hello Robkelk,

Really sorry for the inconvenience. This is a gentle note to request that you check your email. We sent you a message titled "The Community Insights survey is coming!". If you have questions, email

You can see my explanation here.

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Nice work on updating Dennis! Ground Zero (talk) 15:41, 30 October 2020 (UTC)Reply

Thanks! I think it's at the point where somebody needs to actually go look at the place... --Robkelk (talk) 18:52, 30 October 2020 (UTC)Reply

Standard section headers[edit]

Thanks for your help, as always!

Please have a look at Wikivoyage:Big city article template, though. Chicoutimi is a small city, but when we divide "Get in" by method, we use the format and expressions (such as "By plane") shown in the big city article template.

All the best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:00, 11 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

I didn't add any headers to that section of page - all I did was add a map marker. --Robkelk (talk) 19:10, 11 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
Oh, I missed that I was looking at more than one person's edits. Sorry. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:57, 11 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

What to do with listings of closed establishments[edit]

Hi again, Robkelk, and thanks for updating the Iqaluit article! A quick word, though: If you know or discover that any establishment is permanently closed, please delete the listing. Listings of closed establishments are useless, so labeling a listing as "closed in 2017" just means someone else has to delete the listing.

All the best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:50, 12 November 2021 (UTC)Reply