Wikivoyage:Travellers' pub/2007

The following are archived discussions from the Project:Travellers' pub. They should not be modified.

Phishing

I don't think Evan posted this, yet, because he was having trouble with the wifi in SJ, but don't answer any emails requesting credit card information from an email purporting to be affiliated with Wikivoyage. This is a scam and several emails were sent out to Wikia users. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 21:55, 15 April 2007 (EDT)

Vandals

Can we IP ban them?

Please see Project:How to handle unwanted edits for more on how we like to deal with stuff like this. Thanks. (WT-en) Maj 16:19, 9 May 2007 (EDT)

thanks looked for something like that but didn't see it

UniversalWikiEditButton

Coming out of RecentChangesCamp Montreal (RoCoCo) in May 2007 there was a sense that there is an opportunity to "brand" the edit button on wikis in the same way that the little orange radio waves icon is used to indicate a feed. This diffuse impulse is trying to coalesce here: http://www.aboutus.org/UniversalWikiEditButton

Thoughts? —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Brandon CS Sanders (talk • contribs)

I think it's a great idea... I voted over there, and will keep an eye on how it develops. – (WT-en) cacahuate ^talk 15:23, 22 May 2007 (EDT)

Very cool idea, it will be nice having a recognizable button on all wikis. Have voted and added my comments there. --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 01:31, 24 May 2007 (EDT)

Moving all multilingual coordination to Shared

So, we've currently got lots of pages regarding language versions and policy duplicated between en and Shared. As this is (IMHO) an issue for Shared -- other versions don't concern English, they concern Wikivoyage as a whole -- they should be maintained only on Shared. To start with:

Any objections? (WT-en) Jpatokal 04:28, 2 June 2007 (EDT)

Car rental extlinks

There have been a rash of car rental links breaking out throughout Wikivoyage in the past few days, and it gives me an itchy urge to scratch out a bunch of "rmv extlinks." These are primary links, but it seems more like a corporate race to up google hits by adding "Schmertz" to every article in the United States. Personally, I see no reason to have car rental information any lower than country or top-level region articles (at the lowest). Do we have a policy on this? --(WT-en) Peterfitzgerald ^Talk 22:47, 6 June 2007 (EDT)

Spanish Wikivoyage

Hello, I'm NJM, admin of the Wikivoyage:es. I've made some changes in our Main Page, but I haven't been able to do it satisfactory. I need some help because I want to have the two columns placed in paralel, but I don't know very much the wiki language. If someone could gime me a hand, the Spanish comunity will be very grateful. NJM

Username change request

Is this the place to be renamed on WikiTravel?If so, can someone change my username from Skunkmaster to Skunkmaster IX

Please contact me on my talk page.

Thanks,

(WT-en) Skunkmaster 00:14, 15 July 2007 (EDT)

Usually the requests are made at project:Requests for username change. But considering that you haven't made any edits yet, just go ahead and create the new account you want, and ignore the old one. – (WT-en) cacahuate ^talk 00:27, 15 July 2007 (EDT)

Italic romanization?

Why are we italicizing romanizations, eg Shanghai (上海 Shànghǎi)? Please reply on Project:Romanization#Italic romanization?. Thanks --(WT-en) Rogerhc 18:34, 16 July 2007 (EDT)

Ads

Split pages (IB is pushing to have our guide and star articles split into subpages by section) means lots more page views and lots more ad revenue when ads are finally implemented. How much more? Do you like 200% more, 500% more? Lots.

The community does not want split pages that break our community architecture into ad cubicles.

The community would understand and tolerate discreet non-damaging text ads that don't break our architecture.

The community also understands bad architecture and greed.

Let's have discreet non-damaging text ads now and drop the $ motivated splitting up of our community's great user designed, user written, Webby winning, one-page-per-destination architecture.

Please discuss at http://shared.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Tech:Optionally_split_long_guides_into_one_page_per_section#Ads before it is too late to prevent the partitioning of our best articles into ad cubicles. --(WT-en) Rogerhc 20:44, 16 July 2007 (EDT)

Wikivoyage:es has reached more than 1000 articles

Wikivoyage:es has reached more than 1000 articles, which is a proud for the Spanish Wikivoyage Comunity. Due to that fact, we would like to be included in your Main Page as a version with more than 1000 articles. Many Thanks (WT-en) Nanow jesús madrid 15:22, 19 July 2007 (EDT)

Congratulations! (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 15:30, 19 July 2007 (EDT)

Wikivoyeur

I saw a "special page" on this a few days ago. Where did it go? (WT-en) 2old 12:35, 20 July 2007 (EDT)

Goals and commercial policy

Could a commercial section be introduced? It seems illogical to exclude resources that many individuals would find invaluable purely, it would seem, on the basis of their commercial status. For example see User:(WT-en) Accommodationdirect many people would find this service really useful but it can't be referenced adhering to policy guidelines. If a commercial section was to be added Wikivoyagers could make their own decisions about content they wished to view and I'm sure some would find this helpful.

It's good to know that User:(WT-en) Accommodationdirect is taking a pro-User:(WT-en) Accommodationdirect stance. I have composed a sonnet on the rare, fragile beauty of the internet hotel booking engine, wounded by the external links policy it cannot understand. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 07:35, 27 July 2007 (EDT)

Ladies & Gentlemen, without further ado... Gorilla Jones, in A minor... – (WT-en) cacahuate ^talk 00:13, 28 July 2007 (EDT)

Links to previous category

Hoe can I do the upper links to previous categories. I mean like if I make the page china/hong kong I would get those upper links, but I saw here that yuo do it evan without it. (sorry for my poor English I from another language version). Thanks.

Which version? You need to copy Template:IsPartOf. (WT-en) Jpatokal 06:55, 5 September 2007 (EDT)

Hebrew Version

Hi. I'm from the Hebrw version and we got probelm with the Contents in the left side. I would like to knoe how can I change it to in the left side. Another question. How can I edit the special page of uploading file? Thanks a lot. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 218.189.178.238 (talk • contribs)

In general, the left side contents (i.e., sidebar) can be edited at . To edit the individual items in the sidebar, you will need to edit the individual MediaWiki files (e.g., . The MediaWiki file for the uploads page is at .

If you are looking for a specific piece of text to change, located in a MediaWiki file, try searching through . You will need to be an administrator or bureaucrat in order to create and edit MediaWiki files. Hope this helps! --(WT-en) Peter ^Talk 01:09, 6 September 2007 (EDT)

Thanks for the help. But I meant to the Contents in the regular pages, not the media pages. And you did help with the Uploading file page. Thanks. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 218.189.178.238 (talk • contribs)

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I believe that the Table of Contents is not something that end-users like us can edit. Perhaps you should try creating a technical request on shared regarding your specific problem. --(WT-en) Peter ^Talk 13:08, 6 September 2007 (EDT)

Thanks a lot. You realy helped me.

From Northern Greenland to the Sahara

One of those moments that make even crusty old Wikivoyagers like me go "whoah": in the space of 3 min, we just had excellent edits to Ilulissat, Northern Greenland and Timbuktu, Mali. Now that's what I call geographic coverage! (WT-en) Jpatokal 13:19, 8 September 2007 (EDT)

Can somebody refer to my question

in Wikivoyage Shared. I haven't been answering for 5 days! Thanks

Thanks Jpatokal. And I wrote you an answer. So if you please answer me again.

And again nobody is answering me. What's gping on there?

Guys, what's happening with; can someone please answer that question? —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 218.189.178.238 (talk • contribs)

Hi Orel zion, I answered on shared. Please use OpenIDLogin and sign your comment. -- (WT-en) Tatata 02:08, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

Precedent setting policy debate taking place on shared!

An image has been put up for deletion on shared. The uploader had got it from flickr. At the time of uploading, he had mentioned that it was cc-by-sa licensed by the flickr user. He had credited the flickr user and provided a link back to the original photo. Now, the link does not go to the image, rather, it says that the flickr user has chosen to make the image private. The user posting it for deletion says that since we can't verify, we should delete. The uploader insists that at the time of upload the image was indeed licensed under cc-by-sa and as the cc-by-sa license is not revocable, we shouldn't delete. What view should Wikivoyage take?

The uploader was me. Should that make a difference to the question? Please make your views heard at project:Votes_for_deletion#Image:ZanskarIndus.jpg. This precedent will apply to all future decisions. — (WT-en) Ravikiran 01:59, 10 October 2007 (EDT)

Non-compliant redistributions

I have listed a number of sites at Project:Non-compliant redistribution. Do we have a standard letter/email that we send them to inform them of the violation and request them to become compliant? --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 03:34, 13 October 2007 (EDT)

region-wide guidelines

Do we have any previous cases of defining and following some guidelines at a country level, not globally for whole Wikivoyage? I've just attempted with something like that for Eat sections in Spain--and would appreciate both references to similar experiences, and comments on my own initiative: Talk:Spain#guidelines on Eat sections of spanish cities. The idea was partially influenced by discussion in Project:Restaurant listings#price ranges. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 17:10, 21 October 2007 (EDT)

BUMP :-) --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 17:01, 6 November 2007 (EST)

Please, please, please

It seems like nobody is checking the technical requests, so can someone chek out this request here, this is so important for the Hebrew version. (WT-en) אוראל 04:13, 2 November 2007 (EDT)

Important RFC

I just wanted to make sure that people take note of the latest rfc added to Project:Request for comments. It is important, IMHO, that we have active input from a wide selection of wikivoyageers regarding ad placement and there is a proposal being discussed to have right-aligned ads in a new sidebar.

Furthermore, I'm making this announcement because I'm not convinced that everyone is watching the rfc page—now that many of the most important discussions are taking place on :shared, it's really important that you add the Project:Request for comments page to your watchlist to make sure that everyone keeps abreast of the most important discussions over there. --(WT-en) Peter ^Talk 20:27, 5 November 2007 (EST)

New activity

It seems like since the beginning of the month, there has been a big surge in activity by new and anonymous users on Wikivoyage. Does anyone have any insight as to the seasonal fluctuations here? --(WT-en) Peter ^Talk 15:21, 26 November 2007 (EST)

→ project:Multilingual statistics. I'm not sure I see much statistically significant difference... and I suspect that googular fluctuations are more important than seasonal ones. (WT-en) Jpatokal 02:28, 27 November 2007 (EST)

Spoilers on Wikivoyage

Let's say that I am writing a hypothetical article on a hypothetical amusement park, and one of the hypothetical attractions in this hypothetical amusement park is a ride that purports to take you to the top of a tower and give you a view of the park, but what actually happens is that once in the ride, they simulate an earthquake and fire. and if you are a kid or you are very gullible, you are supposed to get fooled into believing that the earthquake has actually occurred and the park has been destroyed and the illusion is maintained even when exiting the ride. Should Wikivoyage give out the story or maintain the secrecy? — (WT-en) Ravikiran 10:14, 15 November 2007 (EST)

I say mention that "a surprise awaits," and leave it at that to deter someone else from coming along and adding the spoiler themselves. --(WT-en) Peter ^Talk 15:21, 26 November 2007 (EST)

You just ruined my vacation Ravikiran – (WT-en) cacahuate ^talk 00:00, 27 November 2007 (EST)

I'm also not in favor of revealing spoilers. Another example is Dewa Sanzan in Japan, where you'd rewarded at the end of an arduous hike with... a surprise. (WT-en) Jpatokal 02:10, 27 November 2007 (EST)