Talk:Byron Bay

Transport in and out of byron bay

Premier Coaches are the main bus company in & out of Byron Bay. They come a few times a day. Both to Brisbane & Sydney. The drive takes 12hrs from Sydney & is mainly done with an overnight drive. Other options are the local Kirklands buses which go a few times a day through the Gold Coast to Brisbane. McCaffertys Buslines also run frequent services to Byron Bay.Trains services now go with a bus link to Casino where there are a few trains per day which come from Brisbane & end at Sydney. Oz Experience buses also connect with Byron Bay.There are a few small coaches which offer a cheaper ride to Sydney, when they still have places available. You can enquire about them normally in backpacker hostels or the many internet places.But by far the most cost effective & comfortable way to get in & out of Byron Bay is to fly to Ballina airport which has bus/taxi links to Byron Bay once he plain has arrived. They have at least 5 flights a day from Sydney & start from $88

Accom

My last edit, where I gave a link to the source of the content used on this page was removed.

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You'll find a variety of places to stay, from budget to luxury, in and around Byron. Prices vary, based on location, facilities and fixtures. Off season rates can be half the price of peak season. The following information can be used as a rough guide to peak season rates:

• Houses & Cottages : Absolute beachfront is usually the most expensive, with rates of about $3,500 up to $8,000+ per week. Houses & Cottages in other parts of Byron start at about $1,700 per week.
• Apartments : One bedroom apartments in a resort styled complex (onsite management) start at about $2,100 per week. One bedroom apartments in a regular complex (without onsite management) start at about $1,300 per week.
• Hotels / Motels : Start at about $150-$200 per night per double.
• B&B / Guesthouse : There's quite a variety - from converted workman's cottages, to modern houses with a couple of rooms added on out the back, to purpose built beachfront luxury. Rates range from about $140 to $450 per night per double.
• Hostels : There are a number of hostels / backpackers in Byron Bay. Rates start at about $20 per night for a dorm.

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Lifted directly off http://www.byron-bay.com/accommodation/

I understand your policy to only link to individual accom providers - you won't link to other websites that list a bunch of individual accommodation providers.

You also seem to realise that a list of links is useless without good general information - which is why I include good general information on my website.

So - if you want to take a shortcut and use my content, I feel it's only fair that the content gets credited with a link.

If you'd rather create your own content - then please do... I don't think you should have it both ways.

You can contact me directly - rick @ byron-bay.com

You are quite right, [Wikivoyage] aims to create free content, and not just copy info from other websites. I have removed the content in question. And you are right in that a good site also needs general information, and not just listings. Thanks --(WT-en) Inas 00:41, 9 May 2009 (EDT)

Stay Safe - Drinking

I removed the following since it seems all Captain Obvious - or at least not something really specific to Byron Bay? Last sentence about refusal is sometime opaque though.

"If a stranger does shout you a drink make sure it is the drink you want and watch the drink being poured and handed over to you without it leaving your sight. Never get a stranger to buy a drink on your behalf with your money. They could buy something else and drink it themselves. If you are refused a drink by the bar there is a good reason why."

Andrewssi2 (talk) 04:15, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Is Byron Bay really the rainbow capital of Australia?

I’m really happy to be proven wrong - but on what basis is it called the ‘rainbow capital of Australia’?

ABC census article suggests it really isn’t.

But maybe there is another metric / point of fact I’m missing?

A secondary gripe is that why would the fact, if true, make it ‘infamous’ (a negative description)? Andrewssi2 (talk) 11:56, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Not only is there scant evidence of the status of Byron Bay as a ‘rainbow capital’, there is frankly the opposite reported here in the SMH where gay visitors were intimated in November 2023: https://www.smh.com.au/traveller/travel-news/traveller-letters-if-you-are-gay-stay-away-from-byron-bay-20231109-p5eioh.html Andrewssi2 (talk) 13:17, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

And a little research worked it out - edit stating “rainbow capital unambiguously refers to Byron's status as one of the most LGBTQ+-friendly towns in Australia” was just wrong. “Rainbow Region” refers to the area’s wellness movement.

In future I recommend actually checking before dismissing other people’s work - your knowledge may be (unambiguously) wrong Andrewssi2 (talk) 13:28, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

One-off, anti-LGBTQ+ incidents happen even in San Francisco – that does not invalidate the claim. And no, it's a well-known fact within LGBTQ+ circles that Byron is one of the most LGBTQ+-friendly towns (which does not necessarily indicate to census numbers). --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 20:27, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

While I'm at it, where are you getting the fact that "'Rainbow Region' refers to the area’s wellness movement"? --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 20:28, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

What "invalidates the claim" was some quick and simple research and frankly you should have done the same. It is wrong because 'Rainbow' referred to something else, then someone assumed incorrectly that it had to mean LGBTQ+ and edited accordingly.

"Rainbow Region" was actually already referenced at the bottom of the existing article. If you take this further and Google it (something that we should all do before assuming that we are right) then you will find multiple references to a broader area in this shire for both the wellness community and the broader region for the traditional owners Andrewssi2 (talk) 20:47, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

More info: Talk:Lismore_(New_South_Wales) Andrewssi2 (talk) 23:42, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

mfw when someone uses "Google" as a source; sigh, I'm not arguing with you anymore given you couldn't even give basic respect to me on Talk:Australia. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 07:17, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

It isn’t about respect. You know there is just no evidence of your claim here, and I’m not going to give you more strawmen to burn down. Simple fact is if you had bothered to Google search “Byron Bay Rainbow Capital Australia” (and found basically nothing) rather than trigger reversing then you wouldn’t have embarrassed yourself this far Andrewssi2 (talk) 09:39, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, yeah, enough with the nopology. The face you couldn't respect another person's nationality on Talk:Australia and chose to double down on it instead of apologising is an embarrassment of you. Shame Wikivoyage has admins like this. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 09:53, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

I really wasn’t apologizing, and you are the only one making this personal. You were wrong and didn’t take make ANY good faith attempt above to work together to work out the facts. Although you won’t admit it, hopefully you take better care next time and check. That is what makes a good editor/admin Andrewssi2 (talk) 10:13, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, right, it's always us who are victimised who need to stop making this "personal":

By general Australian population, are you also excluding activists? --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 22:59, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Yes - Wikivoyage:Be_fair - Political Disputes - "On Wikivoyage, bring them up only if they are truly relevant to the traveller. " Andrewssi2 (talk) 23:17, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

The evidence is solid – you explicitly mentioned that activists aren't "general Australians" – if you don't get what's wrong with that, I don't know if you ever will (and yes, it was more than reasonable for me to take offense as I am a social activist which means that you are saying I'm not a "general Australian"). Your behavior is beyond shocking – it is what ruins and tarnishes small projects. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 10:31, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

I’m just not dropping to your level. If you can’t discuss in a civil manner then don’t contact me again. Andrewssi2 (talk) 10:52, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Fine then. Drop the stick at your will. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 10:57, 4 March 2024 (UTC)