Talk:Dagestan
Written by whom[edit]
it was written by russian, I bet. who else would be so scared of Dagestanis ? Haha. We don't touch foreigners, we would like to see them in Dagestan, but russia is not happy about that idea obviously. who is bodrov by the way, someone who makes money on cheap tricks? —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 86.164.64.80 (talk • contribs) 01:47, 8 August 2010
- So why don't you plunge forward and tell us about the beauty of your land? (you're from Dagestan, right?) Without whitewashing important safety facts of course, travellers should be warned about them. The safety parts, by the way, were written by (WT-en) an American, who is pretty knowledgeable about both Caucasus and Russia. – (WT-en) Vidimian 03:47, 8 August 2010 (EDT)
Safety[edit]
@SHB2000: So how is the situation nowadays? Is Dagestan "one of the safest regions in Russia for travellers" or is it "unsafe due to political instability, criminal activity, bombings, Islamist terrorist attacks, and crime. Now we say both, which cannot really be true unless the rest of Russia is unsafe to a higher degree.
If Dagestan is reasonably safe compared to the rest of Caucasus and the rest of Russia, we do not need a warning box, but just advice under Stay safe.
UK still thinks Dagestan is among the most dangerous regions in that part of Russia and advices against all travel. Canada agrees. Australia says there is a "high threat of terrorism" in parts of North Caucasus, including Dagestan. USA says "don't travel" for all of North Caucasus because of risk of terrorist attacks and civil unrest. I know these can be biased, but "one of the safest regions in Russia for travellers" does not seem justified.
–LPfi (talk) 12:04, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
- I'm not too sure, this info was from one of my Russian friends. I removed it after realising it was original research and his experiences there were better as he was a citizen of Russia. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 12:07, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
- Original research is allowed and encouraged here. I think Russian may be at greater risk than foreigners, but speaking a common language and sharing some of the culture will of course make it easier to avoid some of the dangers. It is also possible that being able to get around without troubles will make one feel safe, while dangers feel more real if you are under cultural chock. As the risks we are talking about are nearly always lesser than the risk of traffic accidents, a place feeling secure may have little to do with the real safety, you depend on your friend being able to discern safety from feeling of safety. –LPfi (talk) 12:55, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
- I mean no disrespect to anyone's friend, but I am concerned about us taking the word of one random traveller over the opinions of half a dozen foreign ministries. I know that governments err on the side of caution, but when the UK Foreign Office shows most of Russia as "green - safe to travel", and Dagestan as "red - avoid all travel", the statement that Dag is "one of the safest regions in Russia for travellers" sets off alarm bells for me. Ground Zero (talk) 13:09, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
- Original research is allowed and encouraged here. I think Russian may be at greater risk than foreigners, but speaking a common language and sharing some of the culture will of course make it easier to avoid some of the dangers. It is also possible that being able to get around without troubles will make one feel safe, while dangers feel more real if you are under cultural chock. As the risks we are talking about are nearly always lesser than the risk of traffic accidents, a place feeling secure may have little to do with the real safety, you depend on your friend being able to discern safety from feeling of safety. –LPfi (talk) 12:55, 8 May 2021 (UTC)