Talk:Malabar

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Regions

I cannot create Malappuram and Manjeri pages are they get redirected to Malabar regional page. Please help. Prof tpms (talk) 09:29, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Please lay out your plans for subdividing Malabar into smaller regions. For example, please name the regions, please indicate how many "Cities" and "Other destinations" you envision for each region with genuinely substantive articles (not just "City X is in Region Name"), and why you think it's important to do this. Please note that we do not have or envision articles about every district, county, township, etc., but only when that will help the traveller. I can see why it probably makes sense to subdivide Malabar into lower-level regions, but please lay out your proposal, so that we can have a discussion involving more than two people. Thanks. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:39, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Prof tpms, if you were thinking of creating district articles, yes, follow what Ikan said above. On the other hand, I assumed you were just talking about making city articles; w:Malappuram and w:Manjeri both have around 100,000 people each, so that seems plausible. If that is the case, just notice that when you go to Malappuram, for example, it takes you to Malabar but at the top of the page it says "Redirected from Malappuram". Clicking there will take you to the unredirected page, and if you edit it, you can remove the redirect tag and start the article. Texugo (talk) 11:48, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I will do that Ikan Kekek Prof tpms (talk) 04:02, 7 May 2015 (UTC) I understand, Thank you Texugo Prof tpms (talk) 04:02, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

We need the following places to be included in Malabar as they are all prominent Municipalities recognized by the government of Kerala:

Malappuaram District

   Edavannappara
   Ponnani
   Nilambur
   Valanchery
   Parappanangadi
   Tanur
   Tirurangadi

Kozhikode District

   Elathur
   Cheruvannur
   Mukkam
   Koduvally
   Payyoli
   Mavoor

Kannur District

   Koothuparamba
   Mattannur
   Sreekandapuram

Kasaragod District

   Nileshwaram

Prof tpms (talk) 04:39, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Those are the total number of municipalities without articles, right? What's the total number of municipalities there would be articles about, for each district? Also, is there enough content for the resulting articles to be really useful to potential visitors? Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:23, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Well, these additions will give a total of Four articles for Kasaragod 12 articles for Kannur. You can remove Chalode, Kurumathur and Muzhakkunnu as they are not big places. 12 articles for Kozhikode 15 articles for Malappuram. Prof tpms (talk) 06:00, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Ikan, you know that the word 'district' is used differently in India. Indian districts are big as provinces of many foreign countries. Prof tpms (talk) 06:02, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Indeed I'm aware of that. It seems like it does make sense for each district to have its own article. What do you think User:Texugo? Anyone else? Let's wait for a couple of days at least to see whether we can achieve a consensus. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:35, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Prof tpms, by all means, go ahead and create the municipality articles, because you've been doing good about putting content in your newly created articles and not just creating empty skeletons, so thank you for that. As for district articles, well yeah, it looks to be about time for that I suppose. I hope that if we add district-level articles, you'll continue to help us not have them as empty skeletons with little more than a city list. Since you know the area, perhaps you'll be able to help craft some decent summaries and See/Do sections for them at least, to give readers an idea of the different flavor of each. Otherwise it would just be a more complicated and less friendly way of presenting the same city lists we already have in this article right now. Texugo (talk) 12:05, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you User: Texugo Prof tpms (talk) 12:57, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

District articles will certainly help to put several entries in one place. We will still need to retain destination articles because no one wants all the clutter when you are seriously packing just before the flight. Prof tpms (talk) 13:00, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Well yeah, Prof tpms, I wasn't suggesting having district articles instead of destination articles. I just hope that if we make district articles, you can help us make them into useful articles in their own right, and not just mostly empty containers for organizational purposes only (as is sadly the case with so many existing region articles across the site). Texugo (talk) 13:43, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

User:Texugo

Yes, Texugo, I will fill the district articles with different kind of material containing a comprehensive view of the district rather than a simple compilation of existing material. Prof tpms (talk) 03:42, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

I think you should feel free to go ahead and start work on this. It doesn't look like anyone will object. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:18, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

User: Ikan Kekek Thanks Ikan. Is it possible to change the name Mangattuparamba to Parassinikkadavu as all the attractions are in the latter place. The former is the of the bus stop only. Prof tpms (talk) 05:34, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Sure. I can take care of that. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:44, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Ikan. Prof tpms (talk) 06:18, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

User: Ikan Kekek, User:Texugo Dear Ikan and Texugo, I have created the Wayanad District page as a humble pilot work for our Malabar District pages project. Kindly have a look and make suggestions so that I can add more content to it. The pages for the other districts can also be prepared soon. Prof tpms (talk) 04:58, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Most of it seems OK, but "See" and "Do" are not done correctly. Instead of a bunch of bulletted items, you should make a prose summary. Bali is a Star-level region article. It has more content than Wayanad District is ever likely to have, but have a look at the format and style. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:20, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

User: Ikan Kekek Yes Ikan, Bali is very impressive. I will add more stuff. Regards, Prof tpms (talk) 07:05, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

I echo Ikan's advice above, and I see now you've gone ahead and created a second district article too. At this point, I'd encourage you to go ahead and create and start filling in all of the district articles so we can go ahead and clean up the Malabar article, because I while an under/over-subdivided region article might be bad, I think it's even worse to have a partially divided one that someone forgets to finish. Texugo (talk) 11:25, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Texugo Yes Texugo, I will give priority to the remaining district articles now. Thank you for reminding. Prof tpms (talk) 12:22, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi Prof tpms. Great! I see you've cleaned up this article a great deal too. Could you choose the best 9 cities to feature in the cities list here? Texugo (talk) 13:42, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Yes, Texugo, Texugo, I will complete the nine cities. Prof tpms (talk) 14:06, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Vatakara or Badagara?

User:Wrh2 has moved page Vadagara to Vatakara: per w:Vatakara The Kerala government website http://kerala.gov.in/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3734&Itemid=2579 used the spelling Vadagara. Prof tpms (talk) 05:13, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

The question here is not what the official spelling is, but what the most common spelling is. I don't happen to know that answer to that question, though I did notice the other day that both OSM and Google maps use yet another option: "Vadakara". Texugo (talk) 11:20, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Texugo, Well Texugo, that spelling also looks quite suitable. Now we have four spellings for the little town:

• Vadagara, the government version
• Vatagara, the Wikipedia version
• Badagara, the traditional version
• Vadakara, the Google map version

Someone from Badagara, please come forward and choose the most ideal one. Prof tpms (talk) 11:32, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

In the absence of someone doing so, I think Ryan's suggestion of following Wikipedia's lead might be completely reasonable. Texugo (talk) 11:42, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Texugo Yes Texugo, I agree with you. On the whole we need a policy to keep the same spelling either with Wikipedia or with Google Maps. Prof tpms (talk) 11:56, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Ultimately that doesn't matter and in some cases would cause us to end up using longer or more official-sounding names that do not match the way people actually talk about the places. The important thing is that we make sure redirects are in place for the versions we don't end up using. Are there redirects from all the above names to the current article title? Texugo (talk) 12:29, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Yes, Texugo, I have created two more redirects. Prof tpms (talk) 13:33, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Sorry if I created confusion with the move. I was trying to merge content from another article and couldn't find the correct location for it. I then discovered that we had an article that appeared to be on the same subject of a differently-named Wikipedia article, so I moved our article for consistency. It can be moved back to whatever is preferred, so long as redirects are kept in place so that others don't run into the same confusion. -- Ryan • (talk) • 15:09, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Regions of Malabar

User:Texugo, I have completed creating the six regions of Malabar. Only the essential information is given and I want more people to come forward and add more information. Prof tpms (talk) 04:36, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Traveler100 and I fixed all the breadcrumbs for all the cities and park articles of the regions as well. Texugo (talk) 12:30, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you Texugo and User:Traveler100. Prof tpms (talk) 13:37, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Angadipuram can be merged with Perinthalmanna

User:Traveler100, User:Texugo, User:Ikan Kekek, please note.

Angadipuram has to be merged with Perinthalmanna as the former is a small village where the railway station is situated. They are only 3 km away. They can be treated in a city article because Angadipuram is an unknown place and Perinthalmanna is a major hospital town of Kerala. Prof tpms (talk) 00:17, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Sounds logical. Go ahead. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:57, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

User:Ikan Kekek, I tried but couldn't. Perinthalmanna already exists so it is not moving but merging. I don't have the merge tool. Prof tpms (talk) 07:58, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

There is no merge tool. You have to manually merge (cut and paste) all the relevant content from the one article into the other one, then replace the emptied article with a redirect. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:30, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

fine, fine. i will do it. Prof tpms (talk) 08:38, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

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