Talk:Oslo region

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Pashley, thanks for repairing the article and reverting vandalism, but why not just save the last unvandalized version of the article as per the history? It includes the map and the links in the listings are correct. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:20, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

Vandalism[edit]

This article was extensively vandalised. I've blocked the idiots involved & done some cleanup, but I'm not certain I got it right. Simplest solution might be to just revert to last good version, but i could not work out how to do that, so I did manual edits instead.

Can someone check this? Pashley (talk) 19:21, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

As per my comment above, look in the article history for the last unvandalized version, click the date to open it, click edit, ignore the warnings and click save. Yes Done :) ϒpsilon (talk) 19:28, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

Merge with Oslo[edit]

All railway lines and main roads converge downtown Oslo. Travel between the main parts of Akershus always involves Oslo.
Metropolitan Oslo, the green color is the "non-stop" urban settlement and includes several municipalities in at least 2 counties.
Tram and metro cross the county line. The new metro line to Fornebu (the abandoned airport) will also cross the county border.

Akershus is no longer a county (official administrative region) of Norway. Akershus is not a natural destination. Oslo is totally surrounded by Akershus and Akershus is split in 3 parts by Oslo and transport runs via Oslo. --Erik den yngre (talk) 10:29, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

How to merge, perhaps:

  • Add Sandvika, Bærum and Asker to Oslo/West.
  • Add Nittedal, Oslo Airport and Eidsvoll to Oslo North (or perhaps a section in the main article "further afield")
  • Add Ski, Drøbak and Tusenfryd amusement park to Oslo/South

--Erik den yngre (talk) 13:41, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

That could work, given that we also included places outside the borders of administrative Oslo when districtifying in 2016.
Alternatively we could rename the area we now call Akershus "Greater Oslo" or "Oslo region", and make our current Oslo article part of it together with the other cities. I notice you said "Jessheim and Eidsvoll are too far from Oslo to be considerede part of Oslo proper (even if the airport is up there), and should have separate articles."
Or still a third alternative, extend the districts largely as you suggested, but then make a separate district (in practice a rural area) for the mentioned far out places (Far Northeast rural Oslo?) beyond the Nittedal-Lillestrøm-Øyeren line. Just a couple of ideas. --Ypsilon (talk) 14:35, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
"Greater Oslo" is possible and such a name makes clear that places mentioned are not in Oslo proper. The only far away place with content is Eidsvoll. Jessheim is only Oslo airport. Drøbak has content but is not that far from Oslo. Sandvika does not have content, the main POI is Henie Onstad Kunstsenter some 15 minutes from Oslo. So Eidsvoll, Drøbak, Jessheim/airport and perhaps Ås we can keep as separate articles, but I guess these articles need an "anchor" and that could be "Greater Oslo".
We dont have content for Asker and Aurskog-Høland, so the only outlier is Eidsvoll and the article would perhaps be an orphan if not included in "Greater Oslo". From visitors' point of view I don't think its informative to create a separate article about "rural" areas northeast of Oslo, this area is known as Romerike and includes Lillestrøm, Jessheim/airport and Eidsvoll. The Oslo urban area actually stretches passed Lillestrøm. London, which is much more densely populated, has an article organized in 3 circles: centrale, inner and outer. Can we do something similar? Erik den yngre (talk) 16:20, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
So alternative 2 would be a good idea? It would then be possible to add and merge individual cities/towns as needed and possibly adjust the borders of the districts making up our current Oslo article to accommodate lone POIs here and there. --Ypsilon (talk) 16:47, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
Yes, if we can be a bit pragmatic and flexible about where "lone" POIs are included that could work. An "umbrella" article for Greater Oslo may not be very big, but is perhaps? Any policies or guidelines in this regard? Erik den yngre (talk) 17:38, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
I don't know of any other guidelines than ttcf, ie. the districts and regions should make sense to visitors using our guide and also to editors. I guess the former Akershus+Oslo would be a good definition for Greater Oslo. --Ypsilon (talk) 17:54, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
So, is there anyone with a differet opinion or should we plunge forward (renaming Akershus Greater Oslo and moving Oslo into it)? --Ypsilon (talk) 13:40, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
Greater Oslo is a good name to have it under. Just make sure that it uses the proper definition from Storbymeldingen. The Greater Oslo-region is defined in it but is slightly outdated due to the municipality reform. Check out Storbyregionen Oslo from Norwegian Bokmål Wikipedia, Greater Oslo region from the English Wikipedia, or Stor-Oslo from SNL which is a reliable and up-to-date source. The region is clearly defined in an inner and outer Oslo region and also includes the Drammen and Moss-regions. It is important to stick to offical definitions as to not cause confussion. It could also just be Oslo and Akershus. Oslo and Akershus together traditionally were defined as the capital-region. Oslo is unchanged and Akershus is still an electoral district (Slightly larger; includes Hurum, Røyken, Rømskog, and Lunner). --Worldlydev (talk) 10:17, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
"Oslo and Akershus" or "Capital Region" could work too. Whatever name can be used for merging the two current articles. Ypsilon (talk) 16:42, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
I think we don't need "Akershus", not informative to visitors (even Norwegians are not sure what is what). Erik den yngre (talk) 16:59, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
I guess it's "Capital Region" then, or "Hovedstadsregionen" (to avoid confusions with other capital regions in the world) as in the no-WP article Worldlydev linked to. --Ypsilon (talk) 17:11, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
I think "Oslo" should be in the title (the first word preferrably), nuances can be in the lead. "Oslo" is the name that makes sense for overseas visitors, even many Norwegians say "Oslo" when they go to Lillestrøm or Bærum. Erik den yngre (talk) 17:53, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Oslo region it is, then. Ypsilon (talk) 18:11, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

I just made the change, and then I tried to get the dynamic map in East Norway to show the regions so we could lose the old static map. But it doesn't seem to work, the regions are maybe not defined properly in Wikidata. Ypsilon (talk) 16:06, 26 October 2020 (UTC)