Talk:Porto Alegre

Please, if you want to contribute, make sure your English is good. The mistakes and the Portuguese-to-English automatic translation (babelfish style, probably) under Buy & Drink sections were awful.

I would like to make some points about this page:

"It is important to understand that the culture of the city isn't a "Brazilian culture", but almost an Argentinian or Uruguayan."

This is not true - although there is some argentinian and uruguayan influence in Rio Grande do Sul is ridiculous to say that this State hasn´t a brazillian culture. This is nonsense.

"These people are called "gaúchos", the same word that identify Argentina and Uruguay. So, this can be bad if you are searching for a typical Brazilian city,"

Again, nonsense. There is no typical Brazilian city. Each region of Brazil has diferent kinds of influences. Salvador is much more African oriented, Rio de Janeiro has more portuguese roots, São Paulo is more italian, Curitiba more Ucranian. There´s no reason to consider one more brazilian than another. The same goes to Porto Alegre and Rio Grande do Sul.

"but it can be good if you speak Spanish, because the locals typically understand the language well."

This basically happens in the rest of Brazil also - brazilians understand spanish fairly welll.

>>"It is important to understand that the culture of the city isn't a "Brazilian culture", but almost an Argentinian or Uruguayan."

>>This is not true - although there is some argentinian and uruguayan influence in Rio Grande do Sul is ridiculous to say that this >>State hasn´t a brazillian culture. This is nonsense.

- I don´t agree with you. The original phrase makes sense. If you visit porto alegre and montevideo (uruguay) you will see that p. alegre have almost the same kind of culture of montevideo, even in the architeture. You can think the music, are the same (tipically the "milonga"), or you can think the drink, "chimarrão". Even the accent is almost the same in two different languages.

>>"These people are called "gaúchos", the same word that identify Argentina and Uruguay. So, this can be bad if you are searching for a typical Brazilian city,"

>>Again, nonsense. There is no typical Brazilian city. Each region of Brazil has diferent kinds of influences. Salvador is much >>more African oriented, Rio de Janeiro has more portuguese roots, São Paulo is more italian, Curitiba more Ucranian. There´s no >>reason to consider one more brazilian than another. The same goes to Porto Alegre and Rio Grande do Sul.

Again, you are wrong. Almost in entire Brazil the country have some cultural common cultural things, like samba, carnaval, mpb (popular music), micareta, etc. In Porto Alegre, the 7th september is more important than carnaval and the people knows more "gaucho" music than samba. Another thing: until the federal militar governants, the 3 most listened radios in Porto alegre was argentinian or uruguayan radios.

>> "but it can be good if you speak Spanish, because the locals typically understand the language well."

>> This basically happens in the rest of Brazil also - brazilians understand spanish fairly welll.

Yes, portuguese and spanish are similar languages, but if you speak fast spanish in Rio de Janeiro or São Paulo probably the people won´t understand you.

So, I think that the original text was right. Porto Alegre have more cultural links with Buenos aires and Montevideo than Rio de Janeiro and São Paulo. They drink more chimarrão (like b.a. or montevideo) than coffe (like são paulo); they listen more gaucho music than samba or mpb (at the low social classes, most people don´t even know mpb)... Oh, I find this joke in a cultural Porto Alegre magazine: (yes, the original is in english)

"1. Abstract

Rio Grande do Sul is an island situated near to the coast of Argentina. Its capital is Montevideo and this is the place where Diego Armando Maradona was born. Although it belongs to the Empire of Brazil, Rio Grande do Sul is not linked to the continent. It is an island, such as Catalonia, or Madagascar. Thus, Rio Grande do Sul is not connected to the Brazilian continent. I find myself in a situation in which I can stand upon this idea. There’s a mass of blood that disconnects them, known as Alma Castelhana (Castilian’s Soul). It is confirmed in the maps we use nowadays. I do not tolerate objections."

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 Lc

Districts

A new "Districts" section was just added. We don't usually have districts sections in cities that are not divided into different district articles by consensus, but it can be OK to have one if it helps the traveler. But what won't help the average traveler is a list of neighborhoods a mile long, for example "Auxiliadora, Azenha, Bela Vista, Bom Fim, Cidade Baixa, Farroupilha, Floresta, Historic District, Independência, Jardim Botânico, Menino Deus, Moinhos de Vento, Montserrat, Petrópolis, Praia de Belas, Rio Branco, Santa Cecília and Santana." Can we keep the information bite-sized and still have a "Districts" section that is more helpful than harmful to travelers and this article? Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:13, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

agreed; I have taken action. Long lists such as these are unnecessary and we have policy against them. They don't help the traveller. Ibaman (talk) 22:45, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! That's so much better. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:48, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

It would be desirable if a static map was added, tho. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 07:58, 7 December 2022 (UTC)