Talk:Worcestershire

Move to city tag

Hi there User:Ikan Kekek, I removed the "movetocity" tag from the article, because basically all of the listings are either:

1. regionally significant, eg Worcester Cathedral; or
2. not very close to any major settlement

Worcester's a county of open spaces, stately homes, etc, which aren't AFAICT close to anything very much, which is why I listed them here. JimKillock (talk) 23:38, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi again User:Ikan Kekek, I would like to discuss this here, rather than my talk page, because I think you have misunderstood what I have placed here. I am happy to be persuaded otherwise, but it is important that people other than you or I can understand how we resolve this nd what conclusion we reach. JimKillock (talk) 09:11, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

The guidance staates that "This is for an overview of the types of attractions as well as the principal attractions in the region. Don't give full details about each attraction; you should have that in the article for the city where the attraction is. If the there isn't anything to say about the region's sights that isn't already covered by the descriptions in the Regions/Cities/Other destinations sections, or in the Understand section, then this section can be omitted."

The problem here is that most of the listings I haave added don't belong to any major settlement, and are not near one. Thus they are unlisted and have nowhere else to go. There are a couple where this is not true and these could be removed. JimKillock (talk) 09:15, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

I've removed these:

• 1 Avoncroft Museum of Historic Buildings. (updated Dec 2018)
• 2 Bordesley Abbey. (updated Dec 2018)
• 3 The Commandery. (updated Dec 2018)
• 4 Evesham Abbey. (updated Dec 2018)
• 5 Forge Mill Needle Museum. (updated Dec 2018)
• 6 Great Malvern Priory. (updated Dec 2018)
• 7 Middle Littleton Tithe Barn. (updated Dec 2018)
• 8 Museum of Royal Worcester. (updated Dec 2018)
• 9 Pershore Abbey. (updated Dec 2018)
• 10 Worcester Cathedral, Worcester. (updated May 2018)

for inclusion in a general description as noted in the guidance. Once I have done that, I would like to remove the "move to city" tag as the remaining lists are unlikely to ever move to another page, as they are not neaar a settlement worthy of a page. JimKillock (talk) 09:19, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Likewise for

• 1 Broadway railway station, Gloucestershire Warwickshire Railway. (updated Dec 2018)
• 2 Kidderminster Town railway station, Severn Valley Railway. (updated Dec 2018)
• 3 West Midland Safari Park. (updated Dec 2018)
• 4 Worcestershire Beacon. (updated Dec 2018) JimKillock (talk) 09:27, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

I understand the dilemma, but just how far are each of them from the next town that has a Wikivoyage article? Also, it's possible to have an article just for discrete rural areas. Rural Montgomery County. Uppsala countryside is another example. It does list "Settlements" but doesn't provide links for them because they are not intended to have their own articles. Also, sorry I didn't see your December 3 post here, even though you pinged me. I'm not sure why I didn't. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:09, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

There was already a page for Hagley, just was not listed on the region page, and I have created pages for Redditch and Pershore, which should have pages. All the POI listing are now on city article pages. What is now needed is some text (not listings) in the region page which mentions the main sites. This text can either be in the See and Do sections mentioning which town they are near or added as additional text next to the town in question in the cities and towns sections. --Traveler100 (talk) 13:45, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Region templates and Worcestershire

Swept in from the pub

Hi all, I want to flag an issue with region templates, which say they shouldn't have any listings. I've added a handful of listings to the Worcestershire page because these are not associated with any major settlement, so were not listed. These are things like country parks, large woodland reserves, and stately homes in the middle of the countryside.

The region template says this is not allowed, so an editor has added a tag asking for them to removed. However they have nowhere else to go, so I think this is possibly something in need of a policy tweak. JimKillock (talk) 09:22, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

The listings should be added to the closest town article. Preferably one that exists but if a large town, that has hotels, is missing then create the page. In the region article there is no problem with listing attractions, but they should be a text pros and have a link to the city article where more detailed information is available. What the region article really needs is not listing that are not in city articles but information on main attractions in there area. --Traveler100 (talk) 11:31, 5 December 2018 (UTC)