User talk:Dryland94

Hello Dryland94! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

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Please be advised that verbatim copying of entire articles from Wikipedia, including Wikipedia templates, etc., that don't display here, particularly without crediting the source, constitutes copyright violation and is prohibited. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:18, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi. You need to use Wikivoyage:Article templates to create articles on this site, not what you've done in your second attempt at a Koh Kong island article. My first question would be, does this island actually merit a Wikivoyage article? (As a single company apparently owns it, my guess is No, it doesn't, and an attempt to make an entire article about it may be touting.) See what is an article. This is not an encyclopedia like Wikipedia, so not every island gets its own article. However, if it does merit its own article, you should probably use a Wikivoyage:Small city article template, and DON'T USE ALL CAP TEXT. Instead of "coordinates", we use Wikivoyage:Geocoding. Sorry about the learning curve, but even within Wikimedia, each site has its own organization and scope of coverage. Wikimedia Commons is different from both Wikipedia and Wikivoyage. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:02, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

If you want to discuss the Koh Kong island article, you need to do that in Talk:Koh Kong island, not in Koh Kong island itself. But the reason you shouldn't be able to "finish" that page is that Koh Kong Island probably does not merit its own Wikivoyage article, and the article you created was completely incorrectly formatted and seemed to constitute promotion of a business, which is not allowed on this site. Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:43, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Also, you don't understand what we're discussing on the talk page. What User:Ibaman and I are discussing is not simply to delete that article but to turn it into a redirect. That way, when people search for "Koh Kong Island", they'll be directed to Koh Kong, where the island is mentioned. The island resort can have its own listing, in a normal listing template, in the Koh Kong article. What we believe it can't have is its own long article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:49, 3 June 2015

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Thanks for participating in a discussion here. One small request: We "sign" our posts on talk pages (only) by typing 4 tildes (the ~ key) in a row at the end of each post.

My answer would be that you can travel by boat in 40 minutes from Koh Kong and not from London to Koh Kong Island. If you wrote a really good article about Koh Kong Island that didn't seem to tout and was closer to being correctly formatted, you might have a better argument for keeping it up as a separate article, but unfortunately, your English may not be good enough, and I say that with no disrespect but just to point out that this site is in English and there's a limit to what the other volunteer editors are willing to do to edit an article that probably shouldn't exist on its own. Why should it probably not get its own article? See Wikivoyage:What is an article. Among the things that normally don't get their own articles are "Companies (hotels, restaurants, bars, stores, nightclubs, tour operators, etc)." Your island is solely owned by your company, so an article about the island is an article about your company. Businesses normally get listings within an article, not their own free-standing articles.

Do you understand what I just typed up for you? Do you have any questions about it? Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:14, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

User:Dryland94yes when you delete me page and me account ? that page is that Koh Kong Island probably does not [[wiaa|merit its own Wikivoyage article.. IS IT PRENTETIOUS. —The preceding comment was added by Dryland94 (talk • contribs)

No-one has deleted your account, which you are typing from. But I don't think you understand what a Wiki is. Policies here are set by consensus. You can propose a change in a policy, but you would need to propose that on the talk page for the policy, and you are unlikely to be successful in overturning it. Meanwhile, speaking ill of the policy is not going to make it more likely for the article about your business to merit its own article under that policy. Understand this, please: This is a non-commercial site with volunteer editors. It exists for the the benefit of travellers, not for the benefit of people who want to promote a business. Complaining that you are being told not to promote your business is not an argument for why your island resort merits its own article.

Would you like to make any Wikivoyage policy-based argument for the article about your island? Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:50, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Dryland94: Before i want to clear you guideline, if only for me ? because you ask me for page koh kong, you are true posted by traveller? why is page not yet censure?? you ask me not business, hors i see have informations about true place business. what the difference if i writing koh kong island now have plot beach for lease? I have had the honneter to tell you that I was the owner. I will not lie, I could have done as koh kong make me look like a traveler. haha

It may well be that the problem is that you don't really understand the problem. There are many real places that exist, which don't merit an article. We usually redirect them to the next real place / region they are in and mention any interesting aspects there. I would advise you to write a listing for your business and propose it on the talk page of Koh Kong. Best wishes Hobbitschuster (talk) 17:09, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Why you would ask whether long-existing Wikivoyage policies are only for you, I can't imagine. And respectfully, I will tell you that I don't understand a lot of the other things you're asking me. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:11, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

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This isn't "my page"; it's a Wiki. I don't think you understand what a Wiki is, I don't care whether you post to other sites, and you still haven't made a single Wikivoyage policy-based argument for the article you started. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:44, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Dryland94: for me you are benevol or owner is same, because you work for take care wiki, and me I mind the good guide traveling not get only appreciation for travelers. because many travelers want to know what the evolution for every place, and for the true evolution only a professionel can give true informations. for sample i see page you ask koh kong how many years is page not update for can ask have camping in me island ? is it wiki true informations ? I up you understand, —The preceding comment was added by Dryland94 (talk • contribs)

First, the nature of Wikis is that we are not professionals and don't get paid. We're volunteers for a non-profit, non-commercial organization. Secondly, I don't understand your English very well. Finally, "Sleep" listings can be updated. The fact that information should be updated doesn't prove it requires its own article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:59, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

DRYLAND94: Finally, "Sleep" listings for me is not true informations for the traveler, is very bad . I dont want to ask again, I close is chapitre and me computer how the guidline for close me account ? thank you for deleting me privat informations account. king regards sun —The preceding comment was added by Dryland94 (talk • contribs)

Sorry, I don't know any way to delete an account, only to block one. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:14, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks

Even though the discussion concerning your deletion of the talk page is now gone I (as the other participant in that discussion) can live with. Best wishes Hobbitschuster (talk) 21:18, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

DRYLAND94: Finally someone nice here.thank you Hobbitschuster

Standard headings

Even though I fear that your article will be deleted (though you should be able to argue your case in a vfd, should it come to that) here are the standard headings as per our manual of style that you should follow when creating an article: Wikivoyage:Small city article template - just click the link, this one should be appropriate. Best wishes Hobbitschuster (talk) 21:25, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

DRYLAND94: Thank you again I'll look tomorrow, I only wait Ikan Kekek delete my informations and account. accordance with the laws of access to data and delete a user demand concern.look with your admin if you dont have a privilege to delete account and data from me account. for me data i prefer post to anothers place.king regards. —The preceding comment was added by Dryland94 (talk • contribs)

I am an admin, but I can't delete an account. What information do you want to delete that you can't delete? Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:10, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

how can delete account and data? I am user ,and I cannot post here, I exiged me data and account delete. accordance with the laws on the protection of users of their data, may at all time request the removal ALL data concerning me post/ TALK/ Account because save account for what if i cannot post. yes I can delete data, pictures, TALK , only account i not see for close account.normaly is need for every site proprosed account. —The preceding comment was added by Dryland94 (talk • contribs)

If you cared so much about information not being on this site, you shouldn't have posted it. Wikis preserve a history on every page. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:49, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

yes but with your moderation that demeans sites, I do not see the interest, because in this case it is you who voluntarily become harmful if the public remains data without the consent of the user. you should take example of User: Hobbitschuster who is a diplomat and friendly, and you behind your messages I feel your arrogance is not in any way the role of an admin or moderator. —The preceding comment was added by Dryland94 (talk • contribs)

I'm telling you this is the way Wikis work. If you put up content, it remains in the history of an article. Anyway, I see no reason to communicate with you further while you continue to abuse me. Happy trails! Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:07, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

DRYLAND94 you do what you want, you keep what you want , I say what I think, an association that reclaim donations, I think that being aggressive is not a good image for your cause. bye bye