User talk:MikeBertino90

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You may have noticed that I have been making some formatting changes to your contributions to bring them in line with Wikivoyage:Manual of Style:

• we don't include postal address information for listings -- why writes letters anymore?
• for U.S. phone numbers that require 10-digit dialling (pretty much everywhere now), we use this format: +1 212-345-6789. This allows readers on mobile devices to dial the number in that listing template by clicking on it. For toll-free numbers, it's: +1-888-345-6789.
• for times and dates, we follow the style in wv:time, which is basically, "M-F 9AM-9PM, Sa Su 9AM-noon and 6PM- midnight".

I hope this helps.

Ground Zero (talk) 17:48, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the guidance!

I had been hoping to find a set of standards and understanding because I had seen various formats used across articles. MikeBertino90 (talk) 18:10, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

The manual of style is not applied evenly across all articles, but we do our best to stick by it to make it easier for readers to find the information they are looking for. Best regards, Ground Zero (talk) 19:07, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

User:MikeBertino90, another thing that's good to know is that we don't include the name of the town in the address when that's the name of the article, so ", Riverhead" shouldn't be in any addresses in the Riverhead (town, New York) article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:21, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

While I do understand that principle, in a case like New York where there is a town of Riverhead with multiple hamlets, do I leave the town name out unless it is a different hamlet?

ie. 1216 Main Rd, NY-25, Jamesport

vs 626 W Main St (the assumption being that it’s in Riverhead due to the article title) MikeBertino90 (talk) 04:12, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

I see your point. I don't know. User:Ground Zero, do you have an opinion about this? Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:57, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Mike, that would generally be the rule. But if it makes sense to make an exception, we maje an exception. I looked at the article, and it doesn't say anything about Riverhead being a collection of hamlets. A good starting point would be to explain that to readers.

But more importantly, aren't all the listings in Riverhead if they are in the town? How do you distinguish between "Riverhead" and the town of Riverhead? Ground Zero (talk) 09:28, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

In New York State, towns aren’t the same as in other places: it’s not a small urban area, but a city. In the about section of towns of Long Island.

in the case of Riverhead, the township includes Aquebogue,

Baiting Hollow, Calverton, Jamesport, Northville, Riverhead (hamlet), & Wading River.

I think giving the context of “the town of Riverhead includes the following hamlets….” Would probably be enough to clarify confusion. Our map already shows the border encompassing those areas. MikeBertino90 (talk) 15:15, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

As you can see on the local government website below's boundaries, only addresses in the hamlet of Riverhead will read as "Riverhead, NY".

You see this reflected in the "drink" section where most addresses are in Jamesport but some are in Riverhead.

context MikeBertino90 (talk) 15:50, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Like many of the readers of a travel guide to Riverhead, I don't know the area. I find it confusing to say one bar is in Riverhead and another is in Jamesport when the article is about Riverhead. I think you can avoid confusion by indicating that the bars are in "Riverhead hamlet". Ground Zero (talk) 16:39, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

I can make that change. MikeBertino90 (talk) 16:40, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Winery listings

Mike, have you thought sbout creating an article like Wine regions of Ontario for your listings of wineries in Virginia? Or maybe Wineries and distilleries of Virginia? Ground Zero (talk) 19:14, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

I had not realized we had articles like that! It would be quite an undertaking, but I could certainly work towards that over time. I am a bar manager in Northern Virginia and have an intimate knowledge of the area and its winemakers. I'll review the Ontario article and use it as a guideline. Then I can link county or city pages accordingly. MikeBertino90 (talk) 19:19, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Do you have resources on how to draw map boundaries? That would be useful creating the Virginia Wine article. MikeBertino90 (talk) 19:28, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

I wrote the Wine regions of Ontario article, and I'm just an amateur, but there is so much information available online that you can use, such as the Wikipedia article. We can use text from Wikipedia, as long as we give credit either on the article's talk safe or in the edit summary. It's best to provide a link to the current version of the article you're cribbing from.

Maps are trickier. You can start by just adding {{mapframe}} to any article that has listings with either co-ordinates or a Wikidata number. Shading out the areas outside a specific region can get done. I'll look up an example and post it here. Ground Zero (talk) 20:02, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Here are a few other wine-related travel topic articles: German beer and wine, Mutěnice Wine Region, Alsatian Vineyard Route. You'll notice that they don't follow a standard format. While destination articles in Wikivoyage generally do follow a standard format to make it easier for readers to navigate, with travel topics we recognize that there is going to be more variation in content, so we have more variation in format. Don't feel you need to follow the Wine regions of Ontario model closely. Your article will take shape based on the content you end up writing. Ground Zero (talk) 22:13, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Here is an example of a map that shades out areas outside the region. The list of Wikidata codes shows what areas are to be included in the map. You have to find the Wikidata codes for each county or city you want to include. These you can find in the menu on the left side of the Wikivoyage article.

Ground Zero (talk) 22:20, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. I will study on that before trying to perfect it.

I will fill out the Virginia wine article slowly over the next week. I'm going to make separate articles for the regions with the biggest concentrations. MikeBertino90 (talk) 21:53, 8 February 2024 (UTC)