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Can't create user Article for myself[edit]

Hello!

I'm trying to create a user article to describe myself but I'm simply getting denied by Global "ntsamr"-pattern spambot filter for some reason.

Does anybody know what I can do to fix this?

For future people: I managed to fix the issue. At the end of the day what I needed to do was simply add more content and work on my formatting. Following the style guides got me through the spam filter without problem!
@SpartanFishy:, please remember to sign your posts with ~~~~ next time. AnotherEditor144 (talk) 11:25, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

New article[edit]

Hi all, I've just made an article for Stratford (Australia). This is my first time making a Wikivoyage article -- does it look good and are there any major issues that need rectifying? --LivelyRatification (talk) 23:16, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

New Article[edit]

I just created a new article for Monticello, Mississippi. Would somebody look it over and comment on it? —The preceding comment was added by TimMagee (talkcontribs)

In a cursory look, it seemed like a good start to me. Just keep working if you have more to add, and thanks! Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:28, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

listings under multiple sections?[edit]

What's the policy on listing items that fit multiple categories?

For example, a hotel with an on-site restaurant could fit both the "Sleep" and "Eat" sections. Would it make sense to list it under both? Or do we select only the category that best describes the place? --Ixfd64 (talk) 22:56, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

An establishment should have only one listing. If you are listing a hotel that has a restaurant, I recommemend including mention of the restaurant (you can bold the name) in the content field of the hotel's Sleep listing. See Caldas da Rainha#Sana_Silver_Coast_Hotel for an example. --Nelson Ricardo (talk) 23:40, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
Got it — I figured this was the case but wasn't completely sure. Thanks for the response! Ixfd64 (talk) 00:27, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
Ixfd64 and Nelson Ricardo, I usually wouldn't recommend any mention in more than one section. The exceptions are if a hotel's restaurant is independently notable, such that more than half its patrons are not staying at the hotel (in that situation, the restaurant merits a separate listing) or the town is so small that the hotel's restaurant is one of no more than, say, 5 restaurants in town. Of course, if the restaurant is notable and the hotel is not, vice versa to everything I just typed. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:30, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
I think this is a good guideline. Thanks. Ixfd64 (talk) 00:35, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
You're most welcome. This isn't a hard science, so to an extent, it can really be case by case. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:18, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Missing redirects of the form "Co. County Name" for counties in Ireland[edit]

I see there are no entries for Co. Clare, Co. Cork, Co. Kerry, Co. Limerick, etc. Given that the use of the "Co." is the standard way of writing these here, I wondered why these names are all missing in Wikivoyage. Does anyone know of a convention, praxis, policy, consensus, or whatever, that I would be accosted with if I created redirects for these? I noticed that some editors are getting around the problem by using piped links such as "[[County Tipperary|Co. Tipperary]]" (rendering as "Co. Tipperary"), to bypass these omissions. Thanks. DeFacto (talk) 12:31, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Where is "here"? Hobbitschuster (talk) 12:43, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
@Hobbitschuster: Ireland
@DeFacto: No policy that I know of, and I can see that these would be helpful (I have also created redirects for the common English county abbreviations like Hants, Berks etc). The Irish ones are probably missing because, like I said to you yesterday, there has until recently been no-one actively improving Ireland's articles. User:Grahamsands started a few months back, and he might also have an opinion on your idea, and now you're the second.
You might consider revising your tone to be less confrontational. When people revert your edits or leave you messages, that's not them "accosting" you, that's them doing what they think is best for the wiki (rightly or wrongly). If you assume good faith of others, then most people (most of the time) will do likewise with you. Given your long history on Wikipedia, you know that better than most WV 'newbies'.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 12:53, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
I have never before seen the abbreviated form (is it a thing in legal forms?) but frequently the written out form... Hobbitschuster (talk) 12:57, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
Your userpage indicates you've never been to Ireland, so I'm not sure where you think you would have seen it unless you were regularly reading the Irish press or looking up county council websites.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:01, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
@Hobbitschuster: I see you have a view on it anyway, so perhaps you could explain that. And perhaps you could also say why, when four of the five entries on that page under Ireland and which gave the county in the "Co. xxx" format, you only removed it from the one that I added. DeFacto (talk) 13:07, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
@ThunderingTyphoons!: thanks. If it's okay to use the British convention for British county names, then I might risk using the Irish convention for the Irish counties then. (Excuse me if I don't comment on your other point here, I fear ithat would lead to thread creep.) DeFacto (talk) 13:28, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
Well obviously I can't guarantee that someone won't take issue with the redirects, but I would argue for their inclusion value if it came to that.
No need to reply to the other thing at all, just consider it.
One more thing, on Wikivoyage we tend to leave comments in chronological order (not a rule, but a convention; you can ping or quote to make it clear which comment you're replying to), which is not the case on English Wikipedia for instance.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:36, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
@ThunderingTyphoons!: yes, fair point, and how weird - and yet indented as if threaded! DeFacto (talk) 13:48, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
On your remark to Hobbitschuster: There are three reasons to revert such an edit: 1) most readers are non-Irish, and might be confused by the abbrevision 2) there is a value in linking the article name, to make clear what page one is linking 3) what to call a place is best decided in connection with the article on it (or a more general one, such as on Talk:Ireland), not on random pages linking there. Thus I might have no opinion on what a place should be called, but still change links to use the presumably agreed on name used as page title. Probably the other "Co."s should be changed also. –LPfi (talk) 13:54, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
(Places with unusual names is not the place to introduce readers to local conventions. –LPfi (talk) 13:56, 16 April 2021 (UTC) )
Fair points for the unusual names article. I don't think it's a confusing abbreviation, but then I am used to it. However, the proposed "Co. X" redirects would definitely be useful, particularly for editors using the search bar (which is partly why I made all the English county abbreviations into redirects).--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 14:52, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
Seems entirely reasonable to do this, and to include Northern Ireland. FYI, the counties of Ireland have been remarkably little changed since 12th C monks accidentally delineated them, by defining parish boundaries. They have strong cultural identities and determine local transport routes. They may even be bred into the bone: work in England maybe ten years ago showed that people from different counties had distinct genetic markers, and this after so much modern mixing. I haven't see anything similar published for Ireland but the effect must be even stronger, as it had great outflows of population but nothing like the same inflows as England. Grahamsands (talk) 18:20, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
Yes, we should create the redirects to account for cases when these abbreviations are used. However, our preference should be to spell out County in our articles. U.S. readers, and probably others, take Co. to mean company. Nelson Ricardo (talk) 20:20, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
Correct. In the U.S., when we abbreviate county, we use "Cty." Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:24, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
It seems the abbreviation – and the importance of counties – should be mentioned somewhere in Ireland#Understand (and in Northern Ireland). –LPfi (talk) 05:58, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
(The country article is classified as outline! Is there something missing, or is that just a relict? –LPfi (talk) 06:08, 17 April 2021 (UTC))