Wikivoyage:Arrivals lounge/Archives/2018/September

Who will answer these questions?

I'm not a new user, but I'd like to get the new Arrivals Lounge off to a good start by posing the first question. When a new editor posts a question here, who will answer it? Ground Zero (talk) 04:31, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

I guess preferably an admin, but otherwise, any senior editor should be fine. The dog2 (talk) 05:14, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Anyone who knows the answer. No reason to give preference to admins. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:52, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

What Ikan said. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 07:49, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Yes, if someone knows the answer, they should say what it is. However, there is another issue that needs to be solved and could be solved easily: while I moved this out of my userspace to here, I created some redirect pages that are unnecessary, like User:Wikivoyage:Arrivals lounge, Wikivoyage:Wikivoyage:Arrivals lounge, and User:SelfieCity/Wikivoyage:Arrivals lounge. Could an admin delete these please? --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 16:20, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Deleted, as requested. Thank you for setting up this page. Ground Zero (talk) 01:40, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Airports

What exactly are we supposed to do with airports? I've seen them done a few different ways in articles. Some are listings, with an IATA template as an alternate name. Some are just markers, usually of type go, but not always, with the IATA template written after the name. Some are just written in text with an IATA template inline. In large cities, I've even seen a mix of these. What exactly does that template do, and what determines where it links to? When exactly do articles get written about airports? If an airport is mentioned with no accompanying article, should we create a stub? If an airport is mentioned but not linked, should be add a listing/marker, or just put in a template? What about in airport articles themselves? If an airport is mentioned that's part of a nearby town, should we link that town? What if the airport has its own article? Does the template handle all this?

Thanks. ARR8 (talk) 02:15, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Arrivals Lounge! In response to your question, my guess from the edits I've made myself is that, in many cases, a user comes along and mentions an airport in a listing or paragraph text. Then an admin, often Traveler100 comes along and adds the IATA template. There is some more information available in the Airport codes Wikivoyage article, or you could ask Traveler100. I'm personally not quite sure what the template does and how useful it is. Thanks for asking, though. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 02:42, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

We normally stick the airport and other intercity transport in the "Get in" section of the city article; only the largest airports (with their own on-site hotels, restaurants, shopping, multiple connecting flights, ground transport and a city-sized list of amenities) are likely to be exceptional enough to have their own article. See Wikivoyage:Airport Expedition. K7L (talk) 03:18, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Thanks all. That link is exactly what I was looking for. ARR8 (talk) 04:07, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

The {{IATA}} template basically links to the page that describes the airport in most detail. As pointed out above if a large airport hub this will be its own article, if a smaller airport it will be in the Get in section of the city closest to or most associated with city the airport. Other city articles will mention the city but probably only contain information on how to get to and from the airport from that location, whereas the city article that the IATA code links to will have more detail about the airport itself. The fact that it is not totally consistent is just a long history and volume of data that is being slowly updated. --Traveler100 (talk) 07:39, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

I suppose if the airport would likely be mentioned in more than one city, then I should create a redirect. Should I be creating these redirects for minor airports, that will probably only be mentioned in one article? ARR8 (talk) 21:56, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

LaGuardia Airport is New York City#LaGuardia Airport. Just give the relevant link when you mention the airport in an article for a subsidiary destination for airport traffic; no need for a redirect. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:00, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

It is nota must to create a redirect. I have however been creating them as it has proved a useful check against incorrect entries. As for LaGuardia, the IATA code is used in 18 articles at the moment, so has a redirect page. --Traveler100 (talk) 06:45, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Linking to the code redirect helps in cases where it is not obvious where the airport is described (airport in non-noteworthy location serving several destinations). Then when you are about describing the airport in more detail somewhere, you can check where the best place for that description has been thought to be, and either give the description there or change the redirect to where you put the description. --LPfi (talk) 08:46, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

@Ikan Kekek, Traveler100, LPfi: I see. Will keep all that in mind, thanks. ARR8 (talk) 14:31, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

How can I add a link to my user page

Hello, I just joined and I tried to add a link to my user page that linked to another user page on another wiki, and then an edit filter told me that I activated a spambot filter, and I understand, I know that spambots are a problem on wikis and that you guys want to prevent them. I'm guessing that I need a certain number of edits or a certain status before I can add a link to my user page, is that correct? and if so, how many edits do I need in order to add a link to my user page? Also, if it is against policy to add external links to a user page then I am sorry about that. Thank you in advance.R4 p17000 (talk) 20:50, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

Did you try to add a link to your Wikivoyage user page from Wikitravel? If so, it wouldn't work. Wikitravel doesn't allow links to Wikivoyage on its website. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 22:45, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I don't think I explained the problem very well, I'm from wikiHow and I decided to join Wikivoyage because I saw some articles that I wanted to edit. I have never had an account on Wikitravel. My problem is that the first thing that I wanted to do when I joined was to add a link to my wikiHow user page on my Wikivoyage userpage so that other users on here could learn more about me. When I attempted this, I got a message that said that the edit was detected as spam by a filter. I was thinking that this was because I am not an established editor, so I was just wondering what I needed to do to be allowed to add a link to my user page.R4 p17000 (talk) 23:20, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

An interwiki link in the form wikihow:user:R4 p17000 (with whatever name you use over there) might work? K7L (talk) 23:36, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, but it still didn't work, I got this message when I tried to publish my page, "This action has been automatically identified as harmful, and therefore disallowed. If you believe your action was constructive, please inform an administrator of what you were trying to do. A brief description of the abuse rule which your action matched is: Global "ntsamr"-pattern spambot filter"R4 p17000 (talk) 23:45, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

m:User:Mathonius/Reports/Nothing to say about me really? It's probably being mistaken for some sort of spambot which bulk-creates user accounts, posting a one-line intro like "nothing to say about me really" and an external link, either on the user page or in mainspace. K7L (talk) 23:55, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

I see, thank you, I put more info on my user page and it was allowed to be published. Thank you for your help.R4 p17000 (talk) 00:07, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

Yes, sorry, I misunderstood your comment. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 03:47, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

Districts of non-huge cities

Where to put them? WV:WYCSI says Understand#Orientation. However, it's not clear whether that only applies for huge cities or all cities. The only example I could find (granted, I didn't look long), Portland (Oregon), has them in Get Around. This is where I put them for Volgograd. Is this correct? If not, both Volgograd and Portland should be changed. If so, WYCSI should be clarified. ARR8 (talk) 22:52, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

I don't think there is much need to put them there at all. Maybe in cases where they are well known or as a first step towards subdividing the city into districts (then the listings should also be put under district headlines; e.g. eat and then a subheading "district this"). Hobbitschuster (talk) 13:58, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

When a larger region is treated as a "city", describing the different towns, villages and other destinations like districts would be described is often useful. I think I'd put them in Understand in most cases, and "districtify" the other sections as well, as H. suggests above. If the villages are not really worth individual descriptions, Get around might be better, and if listings per village are few and distances are moderate, just mentioning the village in the directions field of listings may be enough. --LPfi (talk) 17:49, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

@Hobbitschuster, LPfi: In this case, the districts are just for information, and not mentioned anywhere else in the article. Should I remove them? ARR8 (talk) 22:44, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

No, I think they can be useful for navigating the city. The descriptions could be expanded. As the city covers a huge area, I suppose grouping listings per district would be useful, but as listings are so few now, that is not a major concern. --LPfi (talk) 08:07, 26 September 2018 (UTC)