User talk:ARR8

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Hello, ARR8! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

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Thanks for improving Staten Island and other articles. --ϒpsilon (talk) 05:22, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

I'd like to add my welcome and thanks. Being new doesn't in any way diminish your right to have opinions and participate in discussions. With time, you'll learn more about how Wikivoyage works and its history, and that will give you better perspective on issues that are up for discussion, but in the meantime, for don't hold back. Ground Zero (talk) 06:15, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
I think Ground Zero means don't hold back, and if so, I would agree. Thank for making an immediate impact. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:54, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
Thanks all. I appreciate the kind words and advice. ARR8 (talk) 16:35, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
Yes, and thanks for your work on the Bucks County article. Converting content to listings is not a fun task, but you were doing it and really improving the quality of the article. Keep contributing, --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 22:47, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Listings in country articles[edit]

Hi, ARR8. Your work is great! One small thing, though: Listing templates are used in city articles. In country articles, what's exceptional should be highlighted, but as a prose summary with a link to the city or other destinations article where it has a listing. Otherwise, someone is liable to slap a "movetocity" tag on the article, and someone else will have to undo your work.

All the best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:19, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

@Ikan Kekek: Are you referring to Trinidad and Tobago? I know the policy; I didn't add those listings. When the conversation about the article began in the pub, I waited until someone else did, and added IDs under the assumption the listings would be moved to the appropriate articles later. I probably could have explained that in the edit summaries, though.
If you're talking about a different article, then it does sound like I made a mistake. Otherwise, thanks for keeping an eye on things. ARR8 (talk) 02:04, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
Yes, Trinidad and Tobago. And now that I understand what you're doing, I simply thank you. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:38, 7 October 2018 (UTC)



Reverts of redirects by White Star Shipbuilder[edit]

Any insight into your reasons for these? Do you suspect this user of being someone's sockpuppet? Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:40, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Yes, I do. ARR8 (talk) 21:43, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
I see. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:44, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Edition of Aqaba[edit]

Hi there.

Thanks for your edit of Aqaba. Could you please in the future verify the data quality of Wikidata? Unfortunately, we found that the GPS information of Wikivoyage often is much better than Wikidata. Just adding the WD tag lightly will overwrite the existing GPS information with the WD one. Hence, before adding the WD code, just head over to WD and verify whether the GPS is legit. If not, just copy the Wikivoyage information there.

I corrected the WD information for the flagpole now - took the information from Openstreetmap directly.

Many thank, Ceever (talk) 21:20, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi, @Ceever: Thanks for keeping an eye on the article. Unfortunately, I'm not really understanding what you're trying to say or what you changed. I always check Wikidata coordinates unless they are very close to the previous coordinates. In this case, they were the same, but missing some slight decimal precision, which in most cases doesn't matter, as the marker will show up in the same place. For a flagpole, which is a single point, I can see how that would matter, so mea culpa for not checking more closely.
However, it seems to me that you just removed the coordinates, but somehow there's still a marker there, and I'm not really sure what you're asking, or who "we" is. Are you saying that the Wikidata coordinates were wrong? In the future, if you find that some coordinates on Wikidata are slightly off, why not change them there and then update the listing? Seems to me that it would benefit everyone, including other languages' Wikivoyages. Also, how exactly are the coordinates defined now, if not through the listing? Thanks, ARR8 (talk) 21:33, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
I corrected the GPS information on the WD side. The pole position of the former WD was off about 50 m. Sure, this might seem not much, but were do you draw the line? Nowadays, I think there is no issue being 2-5 m exact, which is the actual GPS accuracy (isnt it?). We have discussed the terrible WD quality in the pub and agreed that when updating the WD code, it is meaningful to verify the quality of the WD (GPS) information.
Just think of all the people that put a tremendous amount of work in putting down a high quality GPS tag here at Wikivoyage, and this just gets erased like that because we lightly link the WD code. Actually, WD should profit from the good WV quality, shouldn't it? But it cannot if editors do not carry the quality over to WD.
Regarding the missing GPS, if you remove the GPS, it is taken from WD directly. I do not know which is better. Feel free to recopy it again.
Cheers, Ceever (talk) 22:03, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
Okay, I see, thank you. I generally do check the coordinates and choose the better of the two, but it seems my intuition of when to check is calibrated for buildings. I'll recalibrate accordingly.
Also, I didn't know that coordinates were optional. That's very good information to have, and relevant to what I do here, so thank you. ARR8 (talk) 22:12, 28 October 2018 (UTC)


I archived the discussion somewhere on Wikivoyage where vandals are unlikely to see it.

Actually, the Wikibreak I took recently has helped, at least so far. I've also hidden some revisions; it's not perfect, but you get the idea. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 02:37, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. To be perfectly honest, I'm generally inclined to openness, and prefer to have as much publicly archived as possible, so I'm not enthusiastic about the deny "policy." I think of it as a necessary evil. Hopefully, one day, these measures won't be needed. ARR8 (talk) 02:55, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
Yes, I would too. I don't like the idea of being secretive, but unfortunately it's sometimes the "necessary evil", as you say. As you know, I've historically been pretty bad at dealing with all these vandals, and when someone sounds genuinely sorry, it seems cruel not to forgive them. But many of these vandals aren't ordinary people; most normal people don't want to spend their life wrecking positive websites. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 03:01, 2 December 2018 (UTC)


Would you like to be a patroller, which would give you 1-click rollbacks you could use for a series of vandalistic edits? Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:03, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

Sure, that would be useful. Hopefully I won't have occasion to use it. ARR8 (talk) 01:11, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
OK, I'll change your status right away. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:27, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
Sounds good! I agree with you (Ikan Kekek) that we should have more patrollers, since it's a good intermediate position between admin and autopatroller that doesn't require a nomination or huge amounts of experience or trust. However, Ypsilon doesn't want to be a patroller (see talk page), and I asked K7L if he/she wanted to be a patroller and got no response.
Anyone else who could be patroller? We have some good contributors, like City-busz and Heisy Bordel, who add a lot of stuff and make great autopatrollers, but until they revert vandalism, there is little point in giving them patroller status. I don't mean this in a bad way to either them, and both have done great work so far (same goes for Mbrickn), but patrol status is not appropriate yet. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 06:36, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
By the way, there's a list of patrollers here. I don't need to be a patroller, since I'm an admin, but there's nothing I can do about that. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 06:50, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
I agree with you. Patroller is a useful status for someone who's already reverting vandalism, not for anyone else. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:24, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
Yes, and ARR8 has reverted vandalism. By the way, could you remove my patroller status since I don't need it anymore? I can't add or remove the status. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 14:51, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
As for me, I was frequently reverting vandalism on Wikidata as well as Wikivoyage, and fought vandals a few times on Commons and Wikipedia. Personally, I think the best course of action here is to attract cross-wiki contributors. I haven't got a clue how to do that, though. I don't think we'll get much latitude out of asking users who are here to write prose about travel to devote time to fighting vandals. Some of our best users are primarily involved in other Wikimedia projects but spend a decent chunk of their wiki contributions here, and I'm sure others would do the same if they knew how they could help. ARR8 (talk) 15:39, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
Selfie, I removed your patroller status. Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:56, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── @Ikan Kekek: Thanks. ARR8, I agree that's a good way to get more contributors. However, I tried to get interest from a speedway fan to contribute to the Speedway article, with no results. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 01:12, 9 December 2018 (UTC)