User talk:Andree.sk

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Hello, Andree.sk! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

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Sync with Wikitravel?[edit]

Thanks a lot for being active and adding content! But please read Wikivoyage and Wikitravel. Syncing with Wikitravel is questionable, and adding stub articles about little villages is not a good idea, if there's nothing more to add. Unless you believe there is enough potential content to fill out a Wikivoyage:Small city template, please don't start a stub about a village. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:37, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Ok, sorry 'bout the stubs. The sync is not questionable, since it's the content I put there yesterday, and then I found out about wikivoyage (which I will probably user more in the future :) )... Andree.sk (talk) 07:50, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

OK, that's cool. Still good for you to know about the background between the two sites, though. And welcome! Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:00, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

Copyleft policy[edit]

Hi, Andree.sk. I regret that I have to delete the Malá Fatra article because no-one gave credit to w:Malá Fatra when copying lines of text from that article verbatim. It's usually a bad idea to do that, anyway, because it's generally more appropriate to summarize and/or paraphrase, but in any case, it's a violation of Wikipedia's Creative Commons license and Wikivoyage's Copyleft policy to copy content verbatim from any source, even a sister site, without crediting the source.

I'm copying the entries you created that don't seem to be copied directly from anywhere and posting them below, to make it easier to recreate an article about this mountain range:

See[edit]

  • 1 Terchová. A tourist center of Malá Fatra, birth place of "Juraj Jánošík" - a famous Slovak highwayman. Terchová on Wikipedia

Do[edit]

  • 1 Veľký Rozsutec (Most common access is from village Štefanová or Terchová, following a ravine, continuing around Malý Rozsutec and up. Usually approx. 2.5-3h hike up.). One of the most picturesque Slovak mountains, with great views. Veľký Rozsutec on Wikipedia
  • 2 Vrátna dolina (Follow the road from Terchová). A valley, which is one of the most visited tourist and ski destinations in Slovakia. Vrátna dolina on Wikipedia

Please let me know if you have any questions, and thanks again for being so helpful. Please have patience; it's totally understandable for any new Wikivoyage user to trip on some policies now and then. I did, too.

All the best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:21, 19 October 2016 (UTC)


hi! please copy here the whole article, I'll rewrite whatever is needed, but I sure ain't gonna write it again from scratch, I value my time more than that.

Andree.sk (talk) 06:03, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

The rest of it was all copyvio from the Wikipedia article, so you can find it there once more. By the way, your participation has also been requested at Talk:Slovakia on choosing the most user-friendly way to divide the country into regions on this site. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:29, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
I hope you're not losing patience with me or other longer-time users who are cramping your style. The entire lifeblood of this site is users like you who add content! But copyvio policies aren't a place where corners can be cut; they're subject to potential lawsuits. And changes to the regional structure of countries are the kinds of edits that need discussion. Of course I realize that you were merely providing a table of traditional regional divisions of Slovakia, but having that plus the current regional divisions seems confusing to me. But I really don't want you to decide we're wasting your time and stop editing here. I can back off a little for a while, if you like, though not on basic things like copyvio policy, but I can't say what others will choose to do. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:38, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
A bit - it's quite a cold shower to find reverts (instead of "Thanks") in the morning,after 4 hour wikiediting :)) I mean, I posted to multiple projects (but software ones mostly), so I know a review process is useful and needed often. But are you sure it was all copy? Perhaps I copied the one introductory sentence (which cannot be rewritten too much), I don't recall unfortunately, I did quite some work yesterday. Please do copy it here, if even possible. I'll add references to wikipedia or whatever, but I don't want to refigure it all out - really, I've got better things to do (and I'm sure you too). TIA, Andree.sk (talk) 06:41, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
I understand. And yeah, I sure do have other things to do. Well, here's the Wikipedia article. As I recall, the parts you copied were:
Malá Fatra (Slovak pronunciation: [ˈmalaː ˈfatra]; also Little Fatra or Lesser Fatra, Polish: Mała Fatra) is a mountain range in the Western Carpathians in the north-west of Central Slovakia.
It is situated approximately between the cities of Nitrianske Pravno, Strečno, Martin and Zázrivá. Turčianska kotlina (Turiec Basin) and the Oravská vrchovina Mts. are situated to the west of the range, and Žilinská kotlina (Žilina Basin) and the Kysucká vrchovina Mts. is located to the east.
You might have copied more; I don't recall. I would suggest making this less encyclopedic and mentioning in your edit summary that you used content from w:Malá Fatra, which suffices for credit. I'd probably include something like this:
Malá Fatra is a karst mountain range in the Western Carpathians in the north-west of Central Slovakia. It lies between Nitrianske Pravno, Strečno, Martin and Zázrivá.
You could continue by mentioning that its tallest peak is Malý Kriváň, at 1,671 m, and so forth. It's OK to copy from Wikipedia as necessary; just mention the articles you got content from in your edit summary. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:58, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
okay, I'll try that, thanks also for the summary suggestion! Andree.sk (talk) 07:34, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
You bet! Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:46, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

Western Tatras[edit]

Hi,

Just as a heads up, if the area you are describing crosses the borders of two countries (Slovakia and Poland) then it needs to be an extra-region, and at a higher level in the hierarchy (Central Europe).

If you want to create a national park just on the Slovakia side, then that can be a separate park article under Slovakia.

Hope that helps. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 21:38, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Hey! Oh, sorry 'bout that... I may have overwritten some of your changes - categorize it as needed. Intention was to only cover the Slovak part, but I guess there's no harm in doing both in one article. Andree.sk (talk) 21:41, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
No worries, and thanks for the article!
Darien_Gap is another example of an article that covers two countries (Panama and Colombia). --Andrewssi2 (talk) 21:44, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Links to Wikipedia[edit]

Thanks, as always, for adding so much great content!

The policy on links to Wikipedia is laid out at WV:Links to Wikipedia. What it amounts to is that inline links to Wikipedia are not allowed. There is a specific Wikipedia field that can be used in any listing, but nowhere else in a listing can such links be used. That might or might not make sense, and I doubt the current policy will last forever (I'm not sure it should, either), but right now, it holds. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:43, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Zilina Region[edit]

Hello, and thanks as always for your valuable edits! Just to clarify: Would you like this article to be redirected somewhere? If so, where? Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:59, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

Hopefully it will help someone... :) I'd just remove the mentioned article, I tried to drop all references to it already... While you are here - also Nízke Tatry should be renamed to Low Tatras to match other articles - but I don't have rights for that. Andree.sk (talk) 07:37, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
OK, I'll do both these things. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:36, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
Done. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:39, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

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