User talk:ויקיג'אנקי

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Hello, ויקיג'אנקי! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

To help get you started contributing, we've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and style, as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page. If you need help, check out Help, or post a message in the travellers' pub. If you are familiar with Wikipedia, take a look over some of the differences here. --Saqib (talk) 15:27, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

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Hi ויקיג'אנקי! Thanks for your contributions! You have changed the Eilat banner recently. Usually, when an existing custom banner is changed (replaced), there should be a brief discussion at the talk page explaining reasons. I quite like you new banner. Still there is a problem with the banner size. As you have edited banners before, you might know the ratio must be 7:1. See Banner expedition for some details. Can you fix it?

And one more thing: when you make an edit, please don't forget to fill in the Summary field describing briefly what you have done and why. Thanks and happy editing. --Danapit (talk) 07:18, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi there, thanks for your contributions on this wiki and creating some nice page banners, but as my fellow Wikivoyager Danapit said above, please first discuss on the talk page when you want to replace the existing custom page banner on the articles talk page. I recently thought of giving you auto-patroller right since your contributions on this wiki are constructive and useful but I'm sorry to say it won't be granted until you co-operate with us. --Saqib (talk) 18:45, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
I see. Unfortunately, at this time I do not have all the time in the world to invest here for the purpose of discussing every single change I am currently making - you see, I am currently fully involved in developing the Hebrew Wikivoyage (where I am currently the most active user) and as part of my efforts there I am currently creating around 20-40 banners in the instances in which existing banners are not good enough. They are all derivative works of existing panoramic photos from Wikicommns. I am doing this first and foremost in order to improve the Hebrew Wikivoyage, although I am sure many other Wikivoyage editions would eventually rather use many of these banners instead as well. In my own opinion, it would be a shame if there won't be an easier way to go about this but to make me get involved in 20-40 different consensus reaching discussions at the same time, on top of all the work I am currently putting into the Hebrew Wikivoyage (this would be impossible). ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 03:58, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
ויקיג'אנקי, I see your point. This discussion is off course not necessary when you changing a banner from default to the first custom banner. But it s a good practice (not a rule) to discuss it when there already is a banner somebody else put lots of effort in - you know yourself that creating a banner is not a strictly trivial process, at least as a courtesy to the other authors. Discussion at the talk page should generally happen when the quality of the banners is comparable, you just feel that yours might be better or appropriate - don't forget we all have different esthetic standards. And you don't have to wait for the consensus either, instead you can change the banner right away and wait if somebody objects, which doesn't happen all that frequently, although we've had some rather frustrating discussions at some pages (like continents articles, for example, where many people want to express their opinions). When there is no doubt about the quality from your point of view, please just explain your reason in the edit summary. FYI, this is what our existing guideline recommends:

Changing custom banners: Poor quality banners may be replaced by better quality banners. Banners may be replaced by more appropriate banners. Correctly sized banners are by default more appropriate than incorrectly sized banners. Leave an edit summary explaining why the new banner is more appropriate. If anyone disagrees with a substitution for reasons other than correct sizing or image quality, temporarily replace the banner with the appropriate default banner and get consensus on the article talk page.

But please, don't resign on adding banners to en wv because of this discussion, your input is needed here and highly welcome! --Danapit (talk) 07:19, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

OK. I just hope that in practise I won't be asked to jump through rings of fire only to add some of the nicer looking banners. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 03:46, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Auto patroller[edit]

Hi again, since you started to discuss the page banner replacements, I would like to inform you that I've decided to add the autopatrolled right to your account. I hope you'll continue to discuss before changing an existing custom banner on the articles talk page. Please keep making some beautiful page banners. Shalom! --Saqib (talk) 19:55, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

OK. Thanks. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 03:46, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Banners[edit]

Thanks for all the new banners!!!

Best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:19, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

They are really great! I'd just like to ask you to categorise them when you upload them to Commons (like when you add this one add category Wikivoyage banners of Missouri etc.), that way we can keep track of them. Jjtkk (talk) 09:26, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. More to come soon. Will categorize soon (but you are more than welcome to help me with that now). ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 21:55, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Jerusalem districts[edit]

Hello!

Kindly check out the district discussion for Jerusalem if you haven't already. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:44, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Will do. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 18:53, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Template:-[edit]

Hi there! Thanks for your contributions. I wanted to let you know that I've nominated Template:- for deletion. That doesn't mean it will be deleted, or that your contribution is unwelcome, but I did have some concerns about it, which I've explained at the deletion discussion. As the template creator, your input into why you created the template, and perhaps some suggestions on how to mitigate my concerns, would be very welcome. Thanks! Powers (talk) 15:22, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

banners from he:[edit]

Hi there. Thanks for the heads up with new banners from he:. I've commented on as many as I could. You might want to give it a break now and let others comment on the ones so far, before overloading us with more. Thanks again! Texugo (talk) 02:56, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Everyone is free to vote whenever they can. There is no rush. Consensus is not determined overnight and I am not going to put 500 of these - only the ones I created in the last month or so. I rather post all the banners I created in the last month at once so I won't forget any specific ones. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 03:15, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
Ok, no problem. I was just suggesting that they might all get noticed and commented on more if you did it in batches... Texugo (talk) 03:18, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

New Banners[edit]

Hi, some of your new banners are really cool, but could you maybe concentrate first on articles that do not have banners? There are still plenty to do.--Traveler100 (talk) 19:40, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Hi Traveler100. In the recent year or so I have created around 170 new banners !.
I create the banners first and foremost for the Hebrew Wikivoyage (where I am an admin and the most active user) and only in the cases in which (1) specific articles have no banners (2) specific Wikivoyage banners exist on Engvoy+Wikicommons but better ones should probably be created (in my opinion).
After the work is done and I finish adding the alternative banners I create to the Hebvoy articles, I tend to ask the Engvoy community as well if people here think my alternative banners work better than the ones currently used. In most cases the Engvoy users prefer the existing banners, but I bring this option up here either way.
I do understand how the somewhat chaotic process of content development on wiki based platforms might annoy quite a few editors on this website or on other Wikimedia wiki communities. Nevertheless, you must understand that it is unrealistic to expect me to wait for a specific date in the distant future (the date in which we'll finish creating banners for all Wikivoyage articles) to try and create better alternative banners to the existing ones from the spectacular free licensed photos I discover on Flickr and Wikicommons every once in a while.
I hope you can understand,
ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 20:58, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

thank for baner of iran[edit]

this pictures and sec your pictures is true color so english user not Detailed. شاملو (talk) 00:16, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Jamkaran Mosque-313-(II)--Baner
I am not sure what exactly you meant but I understand it is positive :) I am glad I could help out. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 06:01, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
Hi, glad you agree with me. How to remove this banner wiki data to allow an excuse to take another interesting discussion. :-)
Unfortunately I don't understand your English. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 19:45, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

היי, שמח שאתה מסכים איתי. כיצד להסיר נתונים wiki הבאנר זו כדי לאפשר תירוץ לקחת עוד דיון מעניין. :-) השתמש בגוגל מתרגם adrees: [1]

I understood you use Google Translate. Unfortunately I still don't understand your English because Machine Translation still is light years from being that good (I understand the meaning of the translated words but not of the translated sentences). As of 2014 it is still impossible to have a normal conversation using Google Translate alone. Sorry. ויקיג'אנקי (talk)

An award for you![edit]

Barncompass.png The Wikivoyage Barncompass
You always win شاملو (talk) 00:21, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the barnstar Shamloo ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 06:02, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

I added many banners suggestions[edit]

Hi!

I added many banners suggestions, would you have time to have a look? Especially at bottom of page 1 and at page 3. Mexico banners are especially important because Wikimania will happen there. Thanks a lot! Nicolas1981 (talk) 03:41, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Formosa (Brazil)[edit]

Hi there. I reverted your banner addition here because the photo appears to be of Baía Formosa, in the state of Rio Grande do Norte. Goiás does not have an oceanfront. Texugo (talk) 17:07, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. Nicolas1981 suggested I'll make a banner out of that photo. Maybe you know of a different good photo I could use to make a banner of for that article ? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 17:36, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
let me suggest to you researching images of "Itiquira falls" on Google and elsewhere. Beautiful place. Ibaman (talk) 17:45, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks Ibaman. If it doesn't exist on commons or as a free licensed photo on Flickr, I won't be able to create such a banner though. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 17:47, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Banners for articles with no existing banner?[edit]

Really appreciate that you are making suggestions for alternative banners for the English Wikivoyage, but I'm wondering why the focus on replacing existing banners rather than seeing if any of your Hebrew banners could help the 66% of English Wikivoyage articles that currently have no banner whatsoever?

In case you haven't done so already, there is a handy long list here: https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Category:Has_default_banner

--Andrewssi2 (talk) 22:15, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

I am working on many different things simultaneously (those 51 banners were created during a period of time longer than a year!). Last time I checked there were missing around 15,000 banners on the English Wikivoyage! I myself am capable of creating 1 decent looking banner per 20-30 mins. I usually spend most of that time looking for a good source image to make the banner from. Do the math yourself - it would take me ages to do the majority of those 15,000 banners in this pace. I am working in my pace, prioritizing according to my own common sense. I am currently the sole main editor in Heb Voy so I cannot focus on banners alone. I probably could have done more of the 15,000 banners if I was payed for my work :) ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 23:38, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
So the banners you are creating on Hebrew WV are generally speaking for articles who corresponding English WV page already has a banner?
Would it not be more efficient to just reuse the English banners in Hebrew Wikivoyage and create banners for articles in both versions that do not yet have them? --Andrewssi2 (talk) 23:42, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
In general, the way things look visually have always been very important to me, and for that reason, many times I can end up spending a lot of time trying to fix various things that I do not like visually. Either way, what you are suggesting ... is that if I see a banner of a prominent article on Hebvoy which I really don't like... according to you I should wait another 3-4 years (until all 15,000 banners are created) before trying to create a better alternative banner ? I am sorry but that doesn't make sense to me. As long as I am not being payed to create banners, I am going to continue prioritizing the tasks I am going to try accomplishing. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 00:52, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
If you really hate an existing banner then I certainly don't have an issue with you creating an alternative, and some of your banners are in fact better than the originals in English Wikivoyage. I have suggested replacements to existing banners myself on occasion.
I'm only suggesting that if it is taking you 30 minutes to create a typical banner then I would suggest that it would be better to consider using the English version first, that's all. It is your time, paid or otherwise. Thanks. Andrewssi2 (talk) 01:22, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
Bottom line - it takes me around 20-30 mins to do each, and for this reason, the banners I would end up creating out of all the 15,000 left, would probably be only around 1-2% of everything (I'll probably end up creating another 70-200 banners in the next years) - and that would only be accomplished in the course of several years. I rather those banners I end up creating would be for prominent articles that are in desperate need of good banners, and that they would look good visually IMO (I would not create banners that I don't like, just because I want to get one more done, out of the 15,000 missing).
This feedback from you has got me to think of one possible crazy idea/solution to the lack of Wikivoyagers focusing on creating all missing 15,000 banners. I will bring up my idea in the Travellers' pub soon. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 02:19, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
Just as a friendly reminder (on the subject of engaging other Wikivoyagers); you previously made this article list for people to suggest source images. A number of editors indeed posted suggestions, but many of those where never used. Perhaps they can be useful for you? JuliasTravels (talk) 12:32, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
Unfortunately, not all suggestions are actually good source images for panoramic banners. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 12:51, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Votes for deletion[edit]

Hello and Shanah Tovah! Thanks for all the great work you do!

I love the new pagebanner you put on Baltimore/Midtown, but I suggest you read Wikivoyage:Votes for deletion#File:Baltimore pennstation banner.jpg and File:Baltimore pennstation banner EDITED.jpg and make a comment, because both the pagebanner you replaced and your banner have a potential copyright-violation problem in regard to the statue in front of the train station. I'm not suggesting you delete your pagebanner or remove it from the page, but I think it's important for you to know it's a problem under discussion. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:57, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

I see. Well, this statue is already in a different photo stored in Wikicommons (see Baltimore_Penn_Station_during_Artscape,_2014.jpg). If specific users want to call for the immidiate removal of that photo and my new banner, they are more then welcome to open a deletion request in Wikicommons, and we'll see what the admins there would decide. From what I have read it seems to me that many people in Baltimore really dislike that statue and want it removed from the Baltimore Penn Station - that might explain the real reason for why this user is seeking to have a different banner. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 05:49, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
I'm smiling because I like that idea, but I don't think that's the reason for the proposal to delete the files on this site. :-) Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:54, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Consensus[edit]

Hi there. I just want to make sure that you're aware of Wikivoyage:Consensus. Majority vote is not how decisions are made. As for Talk:Dallas/Downtown, I don't think there's a clear consensus to change the banner for the Downtown article. It would be better to explore the suggestion of using it for the Dallas article, where the banner would probably also have more visibility. JuliasTravels (talk) 21:10, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

I started a discussion on this matter at the Travellers' pub ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 01:23, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks![edit]

I want to let you know that I've taken note of the number of pagebanners you've been adding to articles that hadn't had one. The next time someone complains that you are only interested in substituting banners on pages that already have one, I've got your back.

All the best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:52, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! I got to say though that the majority of the new banners I have created in the recent month are from the last big round of banners I created first and foremost for Hebvoy articles (during the last month I created around +200 new banners and by doing so I managed to get banners on almost all of the Hebvoy articles - out of the 2,140 articles we have on the Hebvoy main space, 2,130 have a unique custom made banner!!). The few articles that didn't get custom banners are mostly of itinerary articles of non notable places in Israel (and thus it is hard to find a picture available to be used for those banners).
I'm currently focused mainly on making better banners for the Hebvoy articles with banners that aren't good enough according to the Hebvoy community consensus.
I got to note though, that every once in a while, when I do come across a nice panoramic picture on Flickr of a notable place, in many times I end up creating a new banner of the panoramic photo and add the banner to Engvoy if the article about that place on Engvoy does not have any banner (that's the case with the recent banners I added on Envoy). ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 04:20, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
Mazel tov! That's a terrific achievement for Hebvoy to have only 10 articles with no custom banner! Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:27, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. I myself feel though that we on Hebvoy would only complete the big banners milestone when we'll mostly have good decent banners for most of the articles on Hebvoy (hopefully, I'll manage to find many good alternative panoramic photos for around 400 articles on Hebvoy that currently have banners which need to be replaced according to the Hebvoy community consensus). ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 05:14, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
I'll look forward to seeing those. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:47, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Bus service to Akko - update required[edit]

Greetings, ויקיג'אנקי! I've returned to edit here, but due to my unfamiliarity with Wikivoyage templates I've encountered difficulty. Kindly review what I wrote in Talk:Akko#Get in: by Bus where I got stuck. I'd appreciate your advice on how to proceed. -- Cheers, Deborahjay (talk) 17:53, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Disneyland banner[edit]

Hi! I need your help. he:דיסנילנד is using commons:File:Disneyland hub banner.jpg as its banner, but I need to delete it from Commons (because of the statue). Can you upload it locally to the Hebrew Wikivoyage? Powers (talk) 20:07, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

OK. Thanks for the heads up. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 03:27, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Israeli Coastal Plain[edit]

Hi, See my comments on your recent edit of Israeli Coastal Plain - let's continue the discussion at Talk:Israel. Ar2332 (talk) 20:26, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Technical question[edit]

Swept in from the pub

Why does the dynamic map in the Pasadena article have the borders of the city marked on the dynamic map in that article, even though template:Mapmask is not used in that specific article? where is the data about the border located? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 06:40, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Have a look at {{mapshape}}, which is what's used in the Pasadena article. -- Ryan • (talk) • 06:51, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
So mapshape calls it from Wikidata? is there any easy way for me to copy the actual code of the border to Hebvoy to be used there with template:Mapmask, or do I have to create {{mapshape}} on hebvoy as well? (If I am not mistaken, I tried to import {{mapshape}} to hebvoy but it didn't work. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 14:08, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
Creating the mapshape template (along with its dependencies) on Hebrew Wikivoyage would be the easiest solution. You should only need {{mapshape}} and {{mapshape/Inner}} to make it work - everything else is handled by mw:Help:Extension:Kartographer. -- Ryan • (talk) • 15:55, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
Does mapshape call this information from Wikidata? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 16:46, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
I just tried to see if it would work on Hebvoy ... and it gave me the following error (which I translated, so it might not be exact to the English written error) - "<Maplink>: it was impossible to decode JSON due to: syntax error". ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 16:51, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
I tried to implement {{mapshape}} on Hebrew Wikivoyage, but the version of {{mapframe}} being used there does not use mw:Help:Extension:Kartographer, so until that is changed you won't be able to use the latest functionality. You can revert any of the changes I just made on your site. -- Ryan • (talk) • 17:05, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
I tried import the new {{mapframe}} but now all the articles that use this template give the following error: "<Mapframe>: "show" has non-valid value <Maplink>: it was impossible to decode JSON due to: syntax error"
User:Wrh2, how do I fix that? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 17:26, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
Sorry, I don't know how to fix it. -- Ryan • (talk) • 17:32, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
Functionality Could it be a rtl text problem? @ויקיג'אנקי:, have you posted anything to mw:Maps or phab:? —Justin (koavf)TCM 17:34, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
I don't know how to do that. could you help me post a request for help on mw:Maps and/or phab:? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 03:50, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

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Thanks for finding a good banner for the Kenosha article. I've been trying to find a decent one for several months now. DethDestroyerOfWords (talk) 19:42, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

No problem. If you live in that area, it would have probably been easier for you to just take your own panoramic photo, upload it to commons and crop it to standard dimensions. I found this one on Flickr and luckily it looked good enough and had the license which allowed me to import + crop it. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 17:30, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

Technical question[edit]

Swept in from the pub

I have a technical question about the Hebrew Wikivoyage version of the Template:See template... (the question is technical so you don't need to know Hebrew to help with this one). I would like to change the way this template displays a certain element ... the external URL link which is supplied with that template... so that the external link would be displayed under a Blue globe icon.svg globe icon, instead of how it is currently displayed as a link from the main name of the attraction (the same way this is implemented with all the listings templates of the French Wikivoyage). Do you by any chance know which template/code I need to edit in order to make such a change? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 19:26, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

The globe icon is part of the {{listing}} template and existed briefly here before being discarded. The link style (and colour) is most likely in Mediawiki:Common.css (although there's also a skin-specific Mediawiki:Vector.css). Mediawiki: namespace pages are protected so that only admins may edit. K7L (talk) 19:36, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
K7L, I went over the 2 pages + 1 template you mentioned above at the French Wikivoyage - Modèle:Voir+Mediawiki:Common.css+Mediawiki:Vector.css - but I still couldn't find any trace of "Blue_globe_icon.svg". Where in their code did they add it? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 19:50, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
The {{see}} (voir) template is merely a wrapper around {{listing}}. I'd try fr:modèle:listing or its history. K7L (talk) 00:58, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
K7L, thanks for the tip. template:listing was indeed the template which needed to be fixed. works well now. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 04:38, 12 March 2017 (UTC)


Many thanks[edit]

For the Travellers' pub.jpg file. I add it to our local Traveller's Pub template. Regards, Wintereu 05:25, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Technical question[edit]

Swept in from the pub

Is it possible to convert page pile # 8670, which contains only Wikidata items, to the names of the parallel article names on the English Wikivoyage? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 05:48, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

I wonder if a SPARQL query (or other Wikidata search tool) against Wikidata could do the trick... I know that one can check a few IDs at a time with a Lua module and output the enwikivoyage info (used on Wikivoyage itself) but not 15,000+ IDs at one time. -- Matroc (talk) 01:06, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Wrong scale?[edit]

Swept in from the pub

Someone at the Hebrew Wikivoyage just mentioned that the scale of this map is wrong since the size of that area is 7,037 sq km. Is he/she correct? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 13:14, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

I tried to check this using the distance tool on Google maps on the highways. It looks to me as for the big map, the 20 km are actually rather 10 km. The 5 km on the small map look okayish. Drat70 (talk) 13:56, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

About Mapframe and Mapshape[edit]

Map of ויקיג'אנקי

or type=geoline or type=geoshape

  • Was checking some category map errors and noted the following to let you know that because you are using a Mapframe and a Mapshape on your user/temp page you get a JSON format error... It is ok if on Barcelona article page as is -- error shows because its not on Barcelona article page and can not retrieve the Wikidata ID. I just modified this example so you can use it on your temp page using Q1492. -- I thought this might be helpful and apologize in advance if I stepped out of bounds. All the best. -- Matroc (talk) 01:51, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the tip... that won't be necessary though for what I am doing (I am basically copying articles to my temp page in order to extract all the listings and run them through a quick translation process in which they are all translated to Hebrew. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 02:36, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

Matroc - quick question though... since you mentioned Mapshape... I understand that the template Mapshape is capable of extracting the outline polygon of cities from OpenStreetMap. I also noticed that there are only around roughly 800 Mapshape templates currently in use. Why aren't there more? is it because all the other articles don't have similar data on OpenStreetMap? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 02:38, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

Which website do you mostly recommend using to check...[edit]

Swept in from the pub

...which airlines have flight between one international hub to a specific airport located in a different county? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 17:51, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

The usual suspects in terms of flight comparison sites (Matrix, Expedia, Travelocity, etc.) and the airlines' own websites. What else would one look at? Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:57, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
Concur on Matrix, i.e. ITA Matrix Air Search [2]. Use frequently. Does not sell flights, allows setting numerous search parameters, results can include great number of domestic & international destinations. Cannot vouch for ability to find every flight/destination combo everywhere. Hennejohn (talk) 22:42, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
Some Wikipedia articles on individual airports list all the flights from them and who operates them. Hobbitschuster (talk) 19:08, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
Virtually all Wikipedia articles of airports do, though for smaller airports the information may be outdated. In addition to what was mentioned above, Flightradar24 provides live departures and arrivals information for airports, but just for 24h before and after the current moment (the payable premium version likely has more coverage) so if a route has only one flight a week you might not see it. ϒpsilon (talk) 06:43, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
Google Flights! https://www.google.com/flights/.
As an aside, I think it is preferable not to list every single flight route and airline for an airport, given that they do change frequently. For larger airports it is best to avoid specifics completely. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 23:36, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
Those things do tend to get outdated dreadfully quickly. Especially the likes of Ryanair pull out of airports quicker than Presidents do out of unpopular unwinnable wars. Is there some way to only have the work of keeping such a list up to date once across several language versions of WP and WV? Hobbitschuster (talk) 21:39, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Technical question - where does one change the default layouts of the listings[edit]

Swept in from the pub

Hi again. At the Hebrew Wikivoyage, where as of now I am still the only active user (and therefore I occasionally post technical questions here), I am interested in changing the default layout for many of the listings so that it resembles much more the default layout which exists on the English Wikivoyage.

For example, the current layout for the "See" Listing at the Hebrew wikivoyage looks something like this:

* {{see
| name= | url= | wikipedia= | facebook=
| email= | lat= | long=
| address=
| phone= | tollfree= | fax=
| directions= | hours= | price=
| alt= | content=
}}

while I want it to look more like this:

* {{see
| name= | alt= | url= | email=
| address= | lat= | long= | directions=
| phone= | tollfree= | fax=
| hours= | price=
| content=
}}

where does one change the code of the default layouts? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 15:42, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

no one knows? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 16:51, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
"The default" is, I suppose, what you get when using the listing editor. Then the defaults should be somewhere in the configuration files of that program. I suppose one could find it by searching MediaWiki:Common.js – yes: under the heading "// Add listing buttons in edit toolbar" I find things like "post: ' | alt= | url= | email=\n| address= ...". "pre" and "post" seem to refer to the cursor position, and the relevant parameters are told for different listing types. Should be easy to edit. Then you should worry about the listing editor changing the order as it might standardize the order when you edit an old listing. --LPfi (talk) 17:49, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
LPfi - It worked! thank you so much for helping figure this out. It has been bugging me for years, and our only tech guy on Hebvoy stopped being active a long time ago. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 14:24, 29 September 2017 (UTC)