Wikivoyage talk:GLAM

Reason for this page?

I don't really get it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:53, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

See my talk page and outreach:GLAM for a bit more about GLAM. Maybe Romaine will probably be able to explain it better. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:59, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

OK, I see. What's the best way for us to make such institutions aware of us and facilitate cooperation with them? Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:16, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

I'm feeling a bit tired today to give a full answer, but the simple answer is first, we need to bring more awareness of Wikivoyage. Right now, we are being penalised on Google and other search engines for our content being too similar to Wikitravel's content, but all we need to do is try and do a lot of copyediting so the content isn't shared between the sites. I'll give a full answer tomorrow morning (AEST that is). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:31, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Actually, I might write an essay about this instead of an answer; should be ready within a few days, maybe a week or two at worst. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:35, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

@SHB2000 interested in this. Myself interested in working on visitibility of non-institutional culture also. -- Zblace (talk) 06:22, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Within Wikimedia there is a long tradition of working together with all kinds of organisations to be able to enrich the platforms more/better/etc. There are roughly two types of collaborations, one is in the field of education in what students as part of their classes/courses contribute knowledge, like writing articles on Wikipedia, creating images, adding data, and adding other information. The second is basically all other collaborations, like institutions donating material (images, text, data, etc), but also other kinds of collaborations like organizing edit-a-thons to enrich our platforms, as well as supporting contests, and so on, and so on. All these kind of collaborations with institutions (except when students as part of a course create content) we call a GLAM collaboration. Hundreds of these kind of collaborations have already taken place, and many more are upcoming.

On many of Wikimedia's platforms there is some kind of information and index page where all the collaborations that are ongoing or have taken place are mentioned. These kind of pages also collect good examples and stimulate other volunteers and institutions to also work together and contribute. For various individual collaborations a subpage Wikivoyage:GLAM/Xyz has been created to document the process, contacts, and practical other things to be transparant to the community.

Information for travel can change frequently and this can result in Wikivoyage becoming outdated. One of the possible collaborations can for example be the collaborations with various local tourist offices. Romaine (talk) 03:13, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

We have worked with people from tourism offices before and we have had several periods of work by students and some edit-a-thons focused on different areas, but I don't think we've had an official GLAM collaboration yet, which is why I didn't know what it was even though there's an effort to explain it on the page - I didn't remember coming across this page previously and didn't get how we'd facilitate cooperation. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:18, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

@Romaine thank you for writing this down. It is a lot of mess around partnership and related information in Wikimedia with some people using only Meta, others Outreach wiki or their projects (most often Wikipedias), with WMF not helping much to keep things somehow in good sync and structured overview. Most people coming into this are confused over names and terms.

GLAM is not popular term outside of English speaking herritage institutions. I wish we could switch to broather Cultural work and Educational work. --Zblace (talk) 08:55, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, to me "glam" is short for "glamour" and refers to people wearing trend-setting fashions or runway model and clothes designer types. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:09, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

@Ikan Kekek: I think it would be a good idea if you and others would document this collaboration on a page (if not already) and link it from this page. First (known) collaborations can be a good step to explore what works and what doesn't, so that others can learn from it and that future collaborations can be set up easier.

@Zblace: If there is one thing that WMF (almost?) never has taken care of is to clear out the mess and bringing some structure.

As I am the publisher of the newsletter This Month in GLAM I got invited last year for a meeting organised by WMF to move the newsletter to Meta. In the meeting WMF said that they decided to close Outreach Wiki and everything needs to be migrated, but the newsletters first. I indicated that the newsletter is connected/merged together (through templates) to other parts of the GLAM section on Outreach wiki, and that it needs to stick together. Also the full history needs to be migrated and to avoid thousands of links to be broken, the domain outreach.wikimedia.org needs to be (domain) redirected to Meta. They agreed on that in the meeting, even while they did not give the feeling to know what they were talking about. A few weeks later they claimed suddenly no decision had been taken, causing the migration to halt (as or WMF or the community needs to decide such a thing). This mess caused so much frustration and consumed so much time and energy, if this is the quality of the work from WMF, we should be happy that WMF has not much done in fixing/structuring things.

I am a Dutch native speaker and as in Dutch there is not name for this kind of collaborations, we adopted "GLAM" to be able to group together the various relevant pages and to have documentation in one place. For me the exact name does not really matter, it matters that people must be able to find it.

Naming things is cross language often an issue. For example something as "Authority control". Someone from another Wikipedia suggested to create this template on the Dutch Wikipedia. The big question was how to name it. Authority control has no name in Dutch, and literally translating it would give a really weird impression. As no name for it was found, no template was created for 5 years. Then someone created it with the English name and after long discussions we finally agreed on a Dutch name that would get as close to it as possible. In other words, finding the right name isn't easy.

But I must say, even with the difficulties the acronym "GLAM" has, it is a bit catchy so people remember it easily. I think that is the thing that matters. All the nuances and difficulties can be explained on the page in the description what the page is for. Romaine (talk) 09:29, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

It could be catchy, like glam rock. :-) If this kind of collaboration materializes, I hope one of us remembers this page, as I don't know if I'll see it often going forward. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:46, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

@Ikan Kekek Sure :-) I think these collaborations need not to be as big as they have been on other projects, but could help diversify and increase quality of content and hopefully bring new contributors.

@Romaine can you imagine Dutch Wikivoygae having a Tour of arty squats or indy cultural centers inside of Wikivoyage as stand alone page? How would you make that? That would be sub-cultural content I would appreciate but would be exception among GLAM work. No?

--Zblace (talk) 10:04, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

@Zblace: Having a GLAM collaboration is not the same as having a page. Those are two things that are independent to each other but may co-inside. Basically you seem to ask two questions, one is if it is possible to have a collaboration with (the tour of) arty squats or indy cultural centers. Yes, I think I can imagine such a collaboration, but the output from that collaboration depends on the guidelines set by the community (integrated in other page(s) or as stand-alone page). The second question is if it should have a page on its own. On the Dutch Wikivoyage the main rule on that is that it should be a destination (= can you stay the night there). I am not sure if this is exactly the same on the English Wikivoyage. I don't think arty squats or indy cultural centers is a place to stay the night (but I know little about them), so to that question (of being a separate page) I think the answer would be no. Having information about that included in other pages, certainly yes. Romaine (talk) 00:21, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

@Romaine sorry for not formulating this more precisely (sure I understand the difference)...

I understand that making a page with that content would be context specific.

I would argue for this to be GLAM (or better Cultural field work) as some of the most prominent Dutch digital culture institutions came from this background or was highly influenced and shaped by it (think of de WAAG and V2_ Institute for unstable media)...

Anyway I will incubate this idea on HBS Wikivoyage further and create some things as part of partnership with Clubture.org

Maybe it can be backported (translated and adapted) then to EN and NL Wikivoyage if acceptable? Zblace (talk) 17:22, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Museums and such get simply a listing in the appropriate article, not their own article. I think there was a question about this somewhere in the thread? Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:32, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Sure...think that is well known. I am more interested in things like Crawl/Tours of Museums/Clubs one can do when visiting a city. Zblace (talk) 21:41, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Wikivoyage:Tour would be relevant to those. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:17, 20 July 2022 (UTC)