Talk:Bogotá

Districts

So should this be a Huge city? It looks like there's quite a few districts/'hoods... but I dont know the place. (WT-en) Majnoona 00:45, 29 Jan 2006 (EST)

I am I local and I wouldn't recommend splitting the page into districts. It iis true there are many but most are unattravtive to travelers due to insecurity or just because there's nothing to see.201.216.3.77 17:25, 15 May 2007 (EDT)

I live here and I definitely think that Bogotá should be organized as a Huge city. Some places are unattractive or uninteresting, but that just means that undeniably a traveler would benefit from specific district and location information that do apply and do offer much by themselves. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 190.24.216.162 (talk • contribs)

As a local, I agree with the last comment. --190.157.154.245 05:32, 4 September 2011 (EDT)

8 years later...

Proposed districts

Bogotá needs to be districted to make much any sense. Nearly 8 million people live within the city limits, and it's a big, confusing place. Even if this leaves us with some outline districts for now, I think having the organization plus descriptions of what to find in the principal districts would help readers (and I can at least write about the main areas). Having spent less than two months in Bogotá, I'm very far from an expert, so input from a local would be hugely helpful for everything outside Centro, Chapinero, or Usaquén!

The districts on the map to the right are mostly either individual localidades or groups (here's a good basic map of them [1]). The exceptions are for El Chapinero, which I split into three: Chapinero & Zona G, Zona Rosa, and Parque de la 93, and the addition of Ciudad Salitre and Botanical Gardens to Teusaquillo (I moved the west boundary of Teusaquillo a bit out to keep from splitting up the El Salitre area).

The one thing that sticks out as being a little odd is having Los Mártires included in Bogotá/West, since it's really a downtown area. But it's a downtown area that, for all I can tell, no travelers visit—I personally don't have a clue as to whether there are reasons to go there (or to avoid it). Since I'm under the impression that it shouldn't have it's own article, I've tossed it in with the rest of the West.

The thing that might look odd is that La Candelaria is almost completely surrounded by Santa Fé, but that's just a reality of the city—the distinctive historic center (which needs its own article) is surrounded by a different, coherent district.

Anyone have an opinion on this? If not, I'll implement the changes after waiting a bit. --Peter ^Talk 04:10, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Looking at this harder, I'm going to go out on a limb and give Los Mártires its own article, and see how it looks. If it doesn't work as a standalone article, I think we should merge it into a Bogotá/Santa Fé-Los Mártires article. Also, as I suspected, it's just me having this conversation, so I'm going to plunge. --Peter ^Talk 17:38, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

So I've now done this, and tried to rewrite the individual article sections here well enough to keep the guide usable—hopefully with some success! In the coming weeks I'm going to work on building up the district articles. I'm still not sure whether Los Mártires should be rolled into Santa Fé or not. I'd rather keep them separate for simplicity's sake, but it might not make for a good article. --Peter ^Talk 23:06, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

The more I think about this, the more I think Santa Fé and Los Mártires should be combined—the latter district does not have that much to see/do, and I simply do not know enough about it to write much. If someone else more knowledgeable starts writing about the area, then we could split it out in the future. If splitting, a snapshot of Los Mártires prior to the merge is here [2]. --Peter ^Talk 20:34, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Bogotá or Bogota ?

per http://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Wikivoyage:Naming_conventions&oldid=1892031#Article_naming, some people may wonder why the heck are we using Bogotá as our article title?

The answer is to be found here: [3] --W. Frank^e-mail_talk 18:44, 28 September 2012 (CEST)

"Mind control" drug

The medical community is not convinced that scopolamine has the ability to lower a human's inhibitions enough for them to be mind controlled, zombified, or any of the other ridiculous claims that are attributed to it. Here's an example. It seems a bit sensationalist to continue to referring to the drug this way in articles about Colombia. Vantine84 (talk) 10:02, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

"Scopolamine" and "mind control" are not found in the current version of this article. It looks like they are covered in Colombia, so we should have a discussion about this drug there. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:19, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Austrian Embassy

The article claims it's been closed since 2012 and business handled by the Swiss, but [this] suggests it's open. Am I missing something here? 160.93.6.9 19:12, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Climate diagram

There is no vertical scrolling possible on smartphones. The same issue was fixed in the Medellin article. Could somebody with this kind of knowledge fix it here as well?

In the Medellin article the code is written in this way:

Bogotá
Climate chart (explanation)
J F M A M J J A S O N D       55     28 17       77     28 18       114     28 18       179     28 18       191     28 18       153     28 17       108     28 17       154     29 17       178     28 17       218     27 17       150     27 17       79     27 17 Average max. and min. temperatures in °C Precipitation+Snow totals in mm Source: IDEAM Colombian Meteorological Agency
Imperial conversion J F M A M J J A S O N D       2.2     82 63       3     83 64       4.5     83 64       7     82 64       7.5     82 64       6     83 63       4.3     83 63       6.1     83 63       7     82 63       8.6     81 63       5.9     81 63       3.1     81 63 Average max. and min. temperatures in °F Precipitation+Snow totals in inches

Flightnavigator (talk) 06:04, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Verbosity

I'm concerned that parts of this article, including the lede and Bogotá#Districts, are too verbose and risk causing the reader to roll their eyes and look for a site with pithier coverage. Can we possibly make the lede almost just a tag line and leave the details for other sections? And can we dial back the sell job and eliminate the population figures in the Districts section? I think I'll start doing a little work on that now, but anyone can help. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:58, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

For better or worse, I've copy edited through Teusaquillo-Salitre in the Districts section. I have not (or at least not yet) had the pleasure of visiting Bogotá, so see what you think of the edits. Am I on the right track? If you feel like I've deleted anything that's a huge draw for visitors and needs to be mentioned, add it, but be mindful of not going on too long. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:26, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

The Boroughs section is definitely way too long. I agree with your edits, and thunk there should get more cutting. Ground Zero (talk) 03:41, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

I too agree that the boroughs section is way too long. We may be able to elaborate a bit more on the districts known for street art, such as the world-famous La Candelaria, but otherwise, it was due to be truncated. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 08:08, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for cutting out more verbiage, Ground Zero. I made some more edits. I'm really skeptical that shopping malls are a big draw for tourists. Are shopping malls in Bogotá much different from those in other countries? Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:17, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Shopping is a popular past-time for many people. I don't get it, but not everyone is like me. I visited West Edmonton Mall last year to see what it was about, but skipped the Mall of America later that trip because I figured it would be more of the same. My Minneapolis friends assured me that it is a big draw for tourists. Ground Zero (talk) 04:27, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

I get that one, because it was the biggest mall in the world or the country for some time and has stuff like indoor waterfalls. But just being one of 10 or 15 big malls in Bogota doesn't seem much worth mentioning in a summary of the boroughs. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:35, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

I should say, in Malaysia, malls are a draw because they have fabulous food! Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:36, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

I went to KL's central market (Central Market Kuala Lumpur) half a decade ago and have to agree that the food there was more than exceptional (to the point where I went twice). Some of KL's other malls like Suria KLCC are also famous because of their architecture. But this specific mall in Bogotá isn't one of those, though, so agree that it doesn't need to be mentioned in the district summary. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 07:56, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Malls were mentioned as highlights in most of the boroughs until some of the mentions were deleted. I have no idea whether any in particular are big draws for x or y reason. If you've been there, maybe you could speak to that. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:21, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

I haven't been to Bogotá or Colombia yet, sadly, so I don't know which malls are the most popular with tourists. It's been on my bucket list for quite some time, but with the recent civil unrest in Peru, I don't think I'll be heading to South America in the near future. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 08:55, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

What's happening in Peru shouldn't put you off from visiting Colombia, unless you feel it's essential to visit both countries on the same trip. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:20, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

I've always had plans to visit both on the same trip along with Chile on a one-month trip, and flying over 16,000 km four times is no easy task ;-). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 11:06, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

As a local, whose lived his entire life in Bogota, I would like to say that malls are a huge draw in Bogota, because us Bogotanos love shopping. Typically on a Sunday, most Bogotanos go to shopping malls to spend time with their friends and families and have fun. Some malls like the Andino Shopping mall, are renowned for their luxury brands including Louis Vuitton, Rolex, Carolina Herrera, Hermes, etc, other malls such as the Santafe, Atlantis, and Titan Plaza are renowned for their food options and famous resturants, and lastly other malls such as the newly built Parque La Colina mall, are renowned for their modernist achitecture. So wether it is for their food, shops, entertaiment, of for other reasons, malls are a big draw for all Bogotanos (like I said, especially during the weekends). It also has something to do with our culture, that we love to shop and spend time with friends and family, especially at places such as shopping malls. So I think, the reason, malls were included, is just because of how important they are to both locals and torusists alike. I have actually had friends from the U.S come to visit, and a lot of them are awe-sturck by the number of large shopping malls that we have here in Colombia, and with such great variety. At the same time certain malls have stores that are cheapers than other stores in the U.S, which is why shopping is also a big draw for tourists when they come to Bogota. 2600:4040:2A94:4000:1CA8:2A2F:3243:D18F 03:39, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Many friends that I have, from the U.S who have visited Bogota, are simply amazed by the immense variety of shopping malls that we have here. And in our society, its just something that's kind of essential. I think most Bogotanos could never imagine a spending weekend or at least a couple of weekends without going to a shopping mall. 2600:4040:2A94:4000:1CA8:2A2F:3243:D18F 03:43, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Re-add some mentions, then, keeping in mind that they need to be interesting to visitors, not just Bogotanos, but keep it brief here. These malls can and should be covered in more detail in district articles. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:15, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

I tried to cut down a bit in January. I got reverted and left the article. You might want to check Special:Diff/4595168/4595174 Special:Diff/4594441/4595174 and User talk:LPfi#‎Thank you for your help with the Bogota article. –LPfi (talk) 08:01, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

I've gotten reverted twice. It's a problem to deal with a user with a dynamic IP address. I hope we don't have to edit-protect this article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:19, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Here's some more copy editing. I don't think it subtracted any content, but I submit that it did make the article less verbose and more readable, which should benefit everyone. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:12, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

I've semi-protected the article for the timebeing due to edit warring. If the IP consistently edit wars, then we can always block the /64 for disruptive editing. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 08:33, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

Maybe it will prod the IP user to engage in discussion here, explaining what content they feel is really important to include where. That would be more productive than edit warring. If it's really important to add more content, that might be doable without using lots of words. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:44, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

They seem to be back. I think they should get into a more from the bottom up approach. The Michelin restaurants cannot be found in the district articles, and the highlights should be pointed out in the See (etc.) rather than in the lead. I think a bit more of linking in those sections wouldn't hurt: now one must hunt around the districts to find the listing, which in some cases (such as the Michelin restaurants) indeed is missing. –LPfi (talk) 07:56, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Yep. And your advice is good. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:09, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

For reference, most of their contributions can be found on Special:Contributions/2600:4040:2A94:0:0:0:0:0/48, if anyone needs it. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 11:40, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

I combined their IP talk pages at User talk:2600:4040:2A94:0:0:0:0:0. An IPv4 address is linked from the first message, I assume there may be some more, but at least the bulk of discussion on their user talk pages is probably now at this page. –LPfi (talk) 16:13, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

(Hmm: all contributions seem to be in 2600:4040:2A94:4000:0:0:0:0/64, I don't know why you chose the /48. We might get some false hits (65,000 users?). I first got the impression that there are contributions outside the 64 range, but I cannot find any now. –LPfi (talk) 16:23, 20 April 2023 (UTC))

I must've entered the wrong address yesterday, leading me to get zero contributions. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 23:05, 20 April 2023 (UTC)