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I feel like these are of no use to anyone, especially in an extra-region article. I propose to delete them all. Please express your opinion about them. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:32, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

I have no objection to your proposal. I had a similar thought, but took a wait-and-see approach. --Nelson Ricardo (talk) 21:06, 22 February 2021 (UTC)


This is Gomes000's preferred form of words to begin this article:

Estremadura is a natural region or historic province in western Portugal with no modern administrative status but they continue to be recognized in common and are one of the divisions of the country with which most people most identify.

There's no plural subject for "they" to refer to, and "recognized in common" is an obscure expression with no obvious meaning in English. I tried to summarize what seemed to be the main points, as follows:

Estremadura is a historical province in western Portugal with no modern administrative status, though it did exist as recently as 1976 and many people in the area still identify with it.

That seemed good to me, but Gomes000 seemed to take offense at my attempt, with an edit summary including "If you don't know, search and learn," which isn't the point at all, as I don't care greatly about the form of words here, except that it should be grammatical, read well and have a normal tone for a Wikivoyage article. If it's really important to include all of Gomes000's points, here's my attempt at a grammatically correct version:

Estremadura is a historic province in western Portugal with no modern administrative status; however, it is commonly recognized as a region, and area residents widely identify as Estremadurans.

I should add that "The most recent legal definition of the province existed from 1936 to 1976", the succeeding sentence in Gomes000's version, seems rather trivial and encyclopedic except that it pretty much refers to the period of the Salazar dictatorship.

Can we come to agreement on some grammatically correct form of words and stop edit warring? Nricardo and Ground Zero, your thoughts would also be appreciated. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:19, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

I would suggest using a period in place of the semicolon, but otherwise your text looks like an improvement to me. --Nelson Ricardo (talk) 21:26, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
Gomes000's version is grammatically incorrect. I agree with Ikan Kekek's last version, and with leaving out the legal trvia that won't be of interest to travellers. Ground Zero (talk) 22:47, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
I don't care about using a period vs. a semicolon. Either is fine to me. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:56, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
Gomes000, please make an argument within 24 hours, or I will go with the consensus edit and will expect you not to edit war. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:15, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
Done. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:58, 23 February 2021 (UTC)


After trying to make sense of our Portugal hierarchy, I now lean very strongly toward deletion of this extraregion. Although used on other WV langage editions, including Portuguese, consesus at Talk:Portugal#Regions and Talk:Portugal#Regions again is that we use NUTS II regions as our first level of regional division. As this article is very sparse and contributes little to understanding the country, its regions, or its cities, I think it would be best for both travellers and editors to Delete. --Nelson Ricardo (talk) 00:15, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Sorry. Discussion should ocurr at Wikivoyage:Votes for deletion#Estremadura. --Nelson Ricardo (talk) 01:28, 26 February 2021 (UTC)