Talk:Trøndelag

I have remowed region Møre og Romsdal. In my opinion this county is part of West Norway. The landscape with high mountains and fjords has more in common with West Norway than Middle Norway. Tough I'm aware of the fact that the northern part of the county might be considered a part of Middle Norway. At least I don't think we can have a link from both the Middle Norway and West Norway-article. Any comment are welcome! (WT-en) ViMy 13:22, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

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@ThunderingTyphoons!: I removed the tag as there is very little to say about each town (except for Trondheim). Except for Trondheim there are just small or smallish towns. As for most of Norway travel information is better organized by wider areas, towns and municipalities tend to be too small for separate articles. --Erik den yngre (talk) 15:24, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

You say that, but there are six extant city articles, and four more (the redlinks in the 'Cities' list) which are presumably at least potentially viable articles. Specific listings always go at the bottom of the hierarchy; where possible, in a city article. So, the cathedral listing should be on the Trondheim page, and Røros 'see' listing should be integrated to the Røros city listing. The other two could stay here as See listings if there's no alternative article.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 15:53, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

The redlinked "cities" should not be developed as articles. Melhus and Stjørdal is better included under Trondheim, I dont think there will ever be proper articles for these villages. Levanger is a fine wooden town but there is not much to say and might as well be listed in the main article Trøndelag. Brekstad is a village (calls itself as city....oh my) and known only as the Norway's main airforce base (home of F16 interceptors and F35 fighter-bombers) - Austrått manor can be listed in the main article Trøndelag. Hell is known because of the name but is actually part of Stjørdal "town" and not at all a destination, perhaps a 10 min stop to look at the "Hell" sign. Namsos and Røros are worth keeping, Røros in particular because it is a UNESCO site. Oppdal too because it is the main ski resort. Hessdalen can be listed in the main Trøndelag article, absolutly no reason for a separate article. Orkanger is fine but not stuff for a separate article, Thamshavn railway and the mining museum at Løkken can be listed in the main article for Trøndelag. This is typical for Norway, things are scattered. --Erik den yngre (talk) 21:54, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Good morning Erik, that's great. Thanks for the explanation. If, in your opinion, the redlinks will never be viable articles, we should at the very least delink them, if not delete from the page altogether. I'll delink them, and if you subsequently want to either delete them or put a short "blurb" about them, you can.

On the other hand, I really do think there's no good reason for Trondheim cathedral to have a full listing here, so I'm going to plunge forward and copy the details to the city article.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 08:37, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. I redirected Melhus to Trondheim. Other articles also need to be reorganized. Erik den yngre (talk) 14:09, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

@Erik den yngre: Are you aware of the discussion about not avoiding proper listings in the region articles? If there are sights that would not make it to the top nine of the region, but are still listed here because they have no other place, they get undue attention, especially as those listings need to be extensive, handling how to get there, whether there is lodging in the vicinity and whatnot.

Merging small places to a common article is fine, but having the subarticles together cover only part of the region makes for problems describing the rest of it – both discouraging contributions and giving undue weight to the info that is added.

–LPfi (talk) 14:28, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

I see the point about undue attention, but I don't see any other way of doing it. Austrått for instance is near Brekstad in Ørland. There is no place to list Austrått except in this main article. There is no reason to have an article on Brekstad, nothing there except Austrått. One solution is perhaps to make "subregional" articles. There was a similar discussion for Hordaland where villages are too small and the county too big, whereas Hardanger is about right size and a natural destination. Traditional districts of Trøndelag are less well known and can be difficult to understand for foreign travellers: Namdalen, Innherred, Fosen, Outer Trøndelag and the southern uplands. Erik den yngre (talk) 16:25, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

I can see both sides here. On one side, we have the valid argument that we shouldn't have these listings in region articles, but on the other side, local knowledge that there isn't somewhere else where these articles would fit. Perhaps some POIs that are near cities for which we have articles, but are technically in separate villages, should be included in the respective city articles. Going by the map, it seems that in Trøndelag#See, #1 should go in Trondheim, #2 in Røros, #'s 5, 8, and 9 in Stjørdal, and do #1 in Oppdal, while I think the other listings could perhaps remain in this region article because there is no-where else for them to go. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 17:27, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ Thanks. This article is still an outline and needs some development. So my suggestion is that we can add a few more points to the list, then after some time we can see if some (lesser) points could be moved to the nearest town for which there are articles. Erik den yngre (talk) 18:39, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Yes. I think that is what is closest to consensus. –LPfi (talk) 19:00, 1 May 2020 (UTC)