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Hello DerFussi and welcome to Wikivoyage!

At the risk of being accused of "trying to teach my Grandmother to suck eggs" (grin):

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--W. Franke-mailtalk 19:46, 23 September 2012 (CEST)

IRC cloak request[edit]

IRC cloak request

Yes, available now. See here. --Saqib (talk) 23:03, 22 October 2012 (CEST)
Thanks. -- DerFussi (talk) 00:41, 23 October 2012 (CEST)

Marathi Wikivoyage[edit]

I am user from India and would like start work on Indic languages. Pls. let me know what needs to be done to start Indic Wikivoyage like Marathi Language, Bangoli language, Gujrathi language etc. (WV-en) Kalakar (talk) 17:41, 28 October 2012 (CET)

Hi Kalakar! Thanks for being interested. During the migration no new language version will be started. People just working on the move to the new servers. After that the Incubator will be the best place to ask for a new language version. I am going to remind the WMF guys to create a WV section there. -- DerFussi (talk) 18:13, 29 October 2012 (CET)

Better wording for your user page?[edit]

Stefan: In English, this sounds like it was you that sold Wikitravel!

"Fussi was contributor, admin and interim go-between on the German Wikitravel. After selling the project i started to build up the Wikivoyage project. On 02. November the project was transfered to the Wikimedia Foundation."

I suggest you change to something like:

Fussi was a contributor, admin and interim go-between on the German Wikitravel. After the sale of Wikitravel to commercial interests, I started to build the non-profit Wikivoyage project. On 2 November 2012 this Wikivoyage project was transfered to the Wikimedia Foundation. -- Alice 08:16, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

oooops.. Thanks.. -- DerFussi (talk) 08:40, 28 December 2012 (UTC)Reply
My pleasure; have a really great 2013, Stefan! -- Alice 09:31, 28 December 2012 (UTC)


Hi Stefan. I was perusing your userpage, and wanted to say I thought it looked pretty cool! :) I also noticed that you've travelled to many Asian countries, but seemed to have skipped over Laos. Having recently been there myself, I just wanted to promote it to you as an amazing country full of many hidden gems and beautiful experiences. Luang Prabang particularly is a great, cosy town. I'll be working on the Laotian articles in the coming weeks, hoping to bring them to a better standard than what is present. JamesA >talk 11:44, 29 March 2013 (UTC)Reply

Hi. Thanks so much. Yeah! I missed Laos, but time will come. This year I attend the Wikimania in Hong Kong hoping to find some more friends of WV and drive the project forward. Then I go to Kota Kinabalu again including a short stop in Manila. But next year in April I want to be in Laos for Lao New Year. Really look forward to it. You should put Myanmar at the top of your wishlist. Been there 10 years ago. Its the most beautiful country I've ever been to. Many greetings from Cottbus. -- DerFussi 07:07, 30 March 2013 (UTC)Reply
That's great that you'll be at Wikimania. Hopefully you can push the Wikivoyage cause and get some notability for our project. We missed the Lao New Year, though our tour guide told us it is an amazing experience. Thanks for the advice on Myanmar. I am hoping to go there next year, as I do have some family history in the country, along with Bangladesh. Bagan looks magnificent, and the country is definitely an up-and-coming tourist hotspot! JamesA >talk 09:13, 30 March 2013 (UTC)Reply

An important message about renaming users[edit]

Dear DerFussi,

I am cross-posting this message to many places to make sure everyone who is a Wikimedia Foundation project bureaucrat receives a copy. If you are a bureaucrat on more than one wiki, you will receive this message on each wiki where you are a bureaucrat.

As you may have seen, work to perform the Wikimedia cluster-wide single-user login finalisation (SUL finalisation) is taking place. This may potentially effect your work as a local bureaucrat, so please read this message carefully.

Why is this happening? As currently stated at the global rename policy, a global account is a name linked to a single user across all Wikimedia wikis, with local accounts unified into a global collection. Previously, the only way to rename a unified user was to individually rename every local account. This was an extremely difficult and time-consuming task, both for stewards and for the users who had to initiate discussions with local bureaucrats (who perform local renames to date) on every wiki with available bureaucrats. The process took a very long time, since it's difficult to coordinate crosswiki renames among the projects and bureaucrats involved in individual projects.

The SUL finalisation will be taking place in stages, and one of the first stages will be to turn off Special:RenameUser locally. This needs to be done as soon as possible, on advice and input from Stewards and engineers for the project, so that no more accounts that are unified globally are broken by a local rename to usurp the global account name. Once this is done, the process of global name unification can begin. The date that has been chosen to turn off local renaming and shift over to entirely global renaming is 15 September 2014, or three weeks time from now. In place of local renames is a new tool, hosted on Meta, that allows for global renames on all wikis where the name is not registered will be deployed.

Your help is greatly needed during this process and going forward in the future if, as a bureaucrat, renaming users is something that you do or have an interest in participating in. The Wikimedia Stewards have set up, and are in charge of, a new community usergroup on Meta in order to share knowledge and work together on renaming accounts globally, called Global renamers. Stewards are in the process of creating documentation to help global renamers to get used to and learn more about global accounts and tools and Meta in general as well as the application format. As transparency is a valuable thing in our movement, the Stewards would like to have at least a brief public application period. If you are an experienced renamer as a local bureaucrat, the process of becoming a part of this group could take as little as 24 hours to complete. You, as a bureaucrat, should be able to apply for the global renamer right on Meta by the requests for global permissions page on 1 September, a week from now.

In the meantime please update your local page where users request renames to reflect this move to global renaming, and if there is a rename request and the user has edited more than one wiki with the name, please send them to the request page for a global rename.

Stewards greatly appreciate the trust local communities have in you and want to make this transition as easy as possible so that the two groups can start working together to ensure everyone has a unique login identity across Wikimedia projects. Completing this project will allow for long-desired universal tools like a global watchlist, global notifications and many, many more features to make work easier.

If you have any questions, comments or concerns about the SUL finalisation, read over the Help:Unified login page on Meta and leave a note on the talk page there, or on the talk page for global renamers. You can also contact me on my talk page on meta if you would like. I'm working as a bridge between Wikimedia Foundation Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Stewards, and you to assure that SUL finalisation goes as smoothly as possible; this is a community-driven process and I encourage you to work with the Stewards for our communities.

Thank you for your time. -- Keegan (WMF) talk 18:24, 25 August 2014 (UTC)Reply

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Upload files, Upload Wizard?[edit]

Wikimedia Commons logo

Hello! Sorry for writing in English. As you're an administrator here, please check the message I left on MediaWiki talk:Licenses and the village pump. Thanks, Nemo 19:22, 18 September 2014 (UTC)Reply

OK. I am quite active on COmmons right now.... Going to check it tonight and join the discussion. -- DerFussi 06:11, 19 September 2014 (UTC)Reply

I need some help[edit]

My friend i want to work in pashto wikivoyage but there is much froblems that because of no one work in pashto wikivoyage, but i realy want to make many articles on pashto launguage, please help me to open it for next time, please and i am also administrator in pashto launguage:) Bukti.khan (talk) 00:46, 8 April 2017 (UTC)Reply

Hi. How are you? Thanks for the message. I have visited the site in the Incubator. But unfortunately I can not speak and write Pashto. -- DerFussi 05:58, 9 April 2017 (UTC)Reply

Question about listing editor and banner[edit]

Swept in from the pub

I am considering to provide my little Article about Nanxun here as well. Two questions:

  • As you can see, I have added the Chinese names of all listings. They are stored in Wikidata and fetched from Wikidata by our listing template. And we have additional parameters for the names and addresses in local language. So we can implement our "taxi button" for the mobile version later. How do you store the local names and the address written in local language in your listings? Just add it in parentheses. The help site for the listing editor did not provide any information.
  • I took a panoramic of one canal and would provide it as a banner. The talk page of the property on Wikidata does not provide any information about the minimal size and aspect ratio of a banner file. A help site may be useful. I am sure I can find some information here, but if non wikivoyage users want to use banners in their projects and provide suitable images, they would never find the information here in the local wiki. -- DerFussi 06:21, 15 May 2017 (UTC)Reply
OK, one partial answer: The "alt" field is precisely and by design the place for the local name or non-Roman spelling of any name. You're right that there is no separate field for an address in non-Roman writing. Perhaps there should be, but considering that the "alt" field is used much more often by morons who simply duplicate the name there, I'm not so sure. But wait, are you asking about where on Wikidata to put that information? I have no idea, but isn't that a Wikidata issue most usefully discussed somewhere on Wikidata?
In terms of Wikidata providing or not providing aspect ratio details on banner files: Wikivoyage pagebanners are a Wikivoyage thing. If Wikidata users would like to copy any information they like from Wikivoyage:Banner expedition, that's great, but unless I'm missing something, it's a Wikidata issue that doesn't affect Wikivoyage. If there's a Pub on Wikidata, this would seem like a topic to broach there. Feel free to link this thread. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:36, 15 May 2017 (UTC)Reply
Thanks. Yeah, I've asked about the place to store the local name here. All necessary information is saved on Wikidata already. But as far as I know, your listing don't use Wikidata directly. On WV/de I save just the Wikidata ID and the description in the listing and thats it. But I think i have to add some information manually here. So I am going to type it in the "alt" field. You sould consider parameters for the names and addresses in local language. I had the idea for a new feature like the "taxi button" offered in apps like the Agoda app. This button could open a popup on mobile phones with a map and on es second screen the text "Please take me to: foo, bla" including the phonenumber + call button. All written in local language. So if you enter a taxi in Bangkok you just have to touch the button in the listing and show it to the taxi driver. Roland has drafted some screenshots a while ago. If you are interested in this kind of feature we should work together.
I do not think, the banner is just a Wikivoyage thing. Once provided on wikidata as a property its open to everybody. There is even an (understandable) suggestion to rename the property and remove the word "Wikivoyage" from it. -- DerFussi 06:56, 15 May 2017 (UTC)Reply
If we need to create a new field for local names, what, then, is the "alt" field for? Just former names of places? I'd suggest removing it, then, because of the prevalence of duplication I mentioned before. But I think there needs to be a way to make the usage of "alt" more clearly understood (by smart guys like you and even by morons, haha). On your point about pagebanners: Of course, anyone can use them, but I don't think it's really a Wikivoyage issue how people use them outside of Wikivoyage. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:01, 15 May 2017 (UTC)Reply
We use it for alternative names (if there is) and used it for the local name. I think its almost obsolete, when a separate local-name parameter is introduced. But we will need a bot that transfer/rename the "alt" parameters to possible new ones. If you consider to introduce local name parameters it could be useful to uses the same names as we do (VCard, see "*-local" parameters). -- DerFussi 08:54, 15 May 2017 (UTC)Reply

How we will see unregistered users[edit]


You get this message because you are an admin on a Wikimedia wiki.

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Instead of the IP we will show a masked identity. You as an admin will still be able to access the IP. There will also be a new user right for those who need to see the full IPs of unregistered users to fight vandalism, harassment and spam without being admins. Patrollers will also see part of the IP even without this user right. We are also working on better tools to help.

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Thank you. /Johan (WMF)

18:14, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

New bureaucrat inactivity policy[edit]

You are receiving this message because you are a bureaucrat on this wiki.

Following a successful change in the inactivity policy, the bureaucrat policy has now been updated. Bureaucrats may now have their privileges removed if they have not:

  • Made one edit
  • Made one admin or bureaucrat action

over a 12-month period.

Bureaucrats who do not meet these requirements will be notified well in advance on their talk pages. Thank you.

--SHB2000 (talk) 06:52, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply

@SHB2000: Thanks for the information. Besides I would suggest using templates including css classes for information boxes like the one above instead of colors and other styles inside the html. I use an own css-file to read the wiki in a dark mode. But in this case I have almost no chance to restyle these information boxes. I had to mark the text to read it. On voy/de we have introduced template styles and css classes with a voy- prefix on all templates. So we are well prepared to new style features and user can easily adapt their skin. -- DerFussi 10:13, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply
I actually want to introduce these templates on en.voy, but I'll probably never get the consensus to do so because of this wiki's stern template policy and previous discussions we've had with other templates haven't gone well. It left me with no other choice but to substitute {{disclaimerbox}} which is a real pity IMO. We really need more users like you who understand the need for better templates :-) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 12:51, 19 August 2022 (UTC)Reply
@SHB2000: I understand. I am still a bit busy on voy/de with a complete renew of modules for Wikidata, but maybe I can take a closer look at your templates. Cold season is coming here :). Maybe we can update things in many little steps and I could help out with that. And you have got much bad HTML on your pages. I think/hope we can get rid of many of them by fixing existing templates. The biggest thing are your listings. These are imho so much outdated, but this is a huge construction site and i would keep my hands off it. -- DerFussi 08:19, 26 August 2022 (UTC)Reply

Bureaucrat status (official notice)[edit]

Thanks for your service as a Wikivoyage bureaucrat. As you may be aware, our bureaucrats policy indicates that bureaucrats who have not edited the English Wikivoyage or made at least one admin or bureaucrat action in over 12 months should have their bureaucrat flags removed. This is for account security purposes, not a reflection of a loss of trust or any disappointment.

This is currently being discussed at Wikivoyage talk:Bureaucrats#Inactive bureaucrats 2022/09. All comments are more than welcome.

--MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 01:44, 4 September 2022 (UTC)Reply