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Cities, Other destinations and See[edit]

There was nothing listed in "Cities," so I combined that with "Other destinations." "See" really doesn't look any different. It seems to me, those should be under the subtitle of "East Asia" in "Cities and other destinations," and that "See" should either be dispensed with or treated much differently, for example by telling people what to look for in a visit to a Buddhist temple or monastery, or by describing sights in prose or both. But it strikes me that it would be helpful to explain what things like a pagoda and a stupa are. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:25, 1 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Does anyone have an opinion about this? If no-one has anything to say, I'll just plunge forward and do whatever I want when I want to. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:03, 3 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Go ahead. Travel topic articles usually require to be structured in a somewhat different manner than destination articles. For example, the Understand section is usually much more important than in destination guides, and See and Cities usually overlap even more than in country articles. ϒpsilon (talk) 09:38, 3 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your input. I won't start until at least tomorrow, though. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:51, 3 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:48, 3 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Cities and other destinations limits for South Asia[edit]

Why is this hidden text at the beginning of that subsection?

"Do not change this list without discussion on the Talk page"

I can't imagine why. This is not a destination guide for the Indian Subcontinent in which the 7+2 guideline is in effect. Is there any good reason you can think of why we shouldn't delete this hidden comment? Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:50, 3 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

So, may I remove the hidden text? I find it oddly intimidating. Its sole purpose seems to refrain users from further editing --Gobbler (talk) 18:47, 6 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I'll remove it now, since in 3 days, no-one came by to explain why it's a good idea. Why should we limit the number of destinations? It remains open to anyone to give a good reason. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:25, 6 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Of course the 7+-2 rule does not apply here, but we do need to try to limit it, as the intro of that section says, to the "most notable Buddhist sites in (each) sub-continent". Whether the ideal number is exactly the top 14 or not, I don't know, but I imagine the point of that message was that we have to draw a line somewhere or we'll end up with three giant lists which do not properly give the traveller a digestible and reasonable idea of which places are the "most notable". If you don't cap it and just let people keep adding more and more sites, pretty soon it'll have dozens of temples in China and Thailand and India, all 88 of the top temples in Japan, etc. etc., and will no longer be usefully as an overview of the most notable. If you don't want to draw that line at having the top 14 sites per sub-continent, what do you suggest? Texugo (talk) 20:37, 6 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I suggest waiting until there's a problem before trying to solve it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:54, 6 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That is fine, but you asked why we should limit the number of destinations, and there's your answer. It doesn't seem to be an issue at the moment, but I do hope not to see the list grow any further. We still need to offer a selection of the best, not a comprehensive list of all famous places. Texugo (talk) 23:17, 6 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You really don't want any more destinations or attractions to be listed here? Why not? No places in Tibet or Mongolia are mentioned yet! Or do you mean only South Asian places? In any case, I agree that there shouldn't literally be an unlimited number of destinations. But I don't think we're anywhere close to that point now, and therefore I see no good reason to limit the number of destinations now. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:29, 6 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I was only talking about the South Asia list. Seems like 14-15 would be a good place to cap it. Texugo (talk) 00:34, 7 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I don't have any strong feelings about that. If the list becomes longer than 20 or so, we could always divide it by nation. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:43, 7 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
If we were going to go that far, we'd end up with 20+ separate lists and a potential for literally hundreds of listings. Are we trying to make an overview of what's notable from a general perspective, or a lengthy directory? I'd suggest the former would be far more useful for the traveller. The comprehensive lists might better belong in some kind of "Buddhism in X Country" article, if anywhere. Texugo (talk) 00:59, 7 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
They can be spun off from here if things go that far. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:12, 7 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Since a fair number of frequent editors now have this article on their watchlist, I'd suggest removing the hidden text and only replacing it if the list becomes too undifferentiated and unwieldy. 23:34, 6 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I already deleted the hidden text. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:00, 7 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The intention of the list is to cover the most notable Buddhist sites in each sub-continent. However, it may be argued that the selection of the sites is highly questionable. For example, the list does not consider several noteworthy sites as Anuradhapura, Polonnaruwa and Somapura Mahavihara, listed by the UNESCO as places of outstanding cultural importance. Looking forward to your advices and suggestions on this topic. --Gobbler (talk) 14:09, 7 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I trust your judgment. Plunge forward and edit as you see fit. Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:13, 7 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I dunno. Given the above discussion, I think it might be better for us to have a discussion (in a separate thread below, preferably), about how many and which sites should go in each list. Texugo (talk) 14:54, 7 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Is it that you disagree with adding the UNESCO-listed sites Gobbler mentions, or that you'd want to insist that other sites be de-listed first? Adding 3 (or even 7 or 10) more sites in South Asia won't break the site. As I said, if the listings get too numerous, they can be spun off to separate articles. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:08, 7 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ashoka's missions[edit]

Something goes wrong in this statement: "as he is known to have sent Buddhist missionaries to Sri Lanka, Afghanistan, Nepal, Bhutan, China, Mongolia, Cambodia, Laos, Myanmar, Thailand, Vietnam, Syria, Iran, Egypt, Greece, Italy and Turkey". I'll check up on my sources before making any substantive change. --Gobbler (talk) 22:41, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

My sources included w:Ashoka#Global spread of Buddhism. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:44, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps an incorrect or fallacious information. This excerpt is undoubtedly more accurate and well referenced (Rock Edict Nb.13) --Gobbler (talk) 04:11, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not seeing the contradiction. The WP source you cite focuses specifically on Ashoka's relations with Greek lands, not his relations with non-Greek lands. The rock edict also refers to widespread proselytism and conversion. Is the issue that I'm using modern names for the countries? Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:09, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Not at all. This is a minor issue. May I add more contents? --Gobbler (talk) 05:54, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It's not a minor issue if you know it's inaccurate. If so, please correct the inaccuracies here, and also in the WP article I linked. What else do you want to add? Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:59, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I'll correct both according to my book and that excerpt on wp. They are very similar. Ashoka says he sent his Greek spoken emissaries to 5 Hellenistic Rulers 1) Antiochos - Modern Turkey/Syria, 2) Ptolemy - Egypt, 3) Antigonos Macedonia, 4) Magas Epirus, 5) Alexander Cyrenaica. Also he sent missions to 3 rulers in the Indian subcontinent, no more. Well, I would like to add some historic contents about Thai, Chan, Zen Buddhism, Lamaism, and even more. Also I would like to create an illustrate outline of Buddhism Art. At moment I'm a little bit busy but hope to start soon. --Gobbler (talk) 23:36, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]