Talk:D-Day beaches

I'll pretty soon have a stay at my parent's place, on Sword beach. I'll try to write a little detailed someting and take pics on Sword and Gold beaches. Maybe even write an itinerary? (WT-en) Toitoine 14:53, 8 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Geo tags?

What are the "geo" tags supposed to do, and do they do that on other browsers? For me -- Firefox on a Linux box -- they just display a globe & if I click on it, I get taken to a toolserver.org menu.

I nearly deleted all these as unacceptable external links, but it seemed better to ask first. Pashley (talk) 16:13, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

I replaced them with listing templates and filled in the coordinates. Texugo (talk) 20:05, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Numbering

Is there any particular reason why all the listings are numbered here? Texugo (talk) 20:05, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Nobody has responded, so I am going to remove the numbering. Texugo (talk) 11:50, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Travel topic or Destination?

Is this a travel topic (as would template outlinetopic suggest) or a destination article (based on geographic hierarchy)? Danapit (talk) 11:18, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

I think someone has intended it to be an itinerary because of the numbered points of interest. Ypsilon (talk) 11:48, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

I believe it was me who changed it from "region" to "travel topic" last month because:

• It does not represent a contiguous region.
• It is not a part of the region division scheme of the parent region.
• It is not a region article in the sense of being designed to contain subdivisions or children articles.
• It is topically oriented towards people interested in WWII sites.

In fact, I think it should be further pushed towards being a topic article, removing the Buy, Eat, Drink, and Sleep sections - three of these are empty, and the Sleep section only duplicates listings which should rightly be placed in Bayeux, Caen, etc. Texugo (talk) 11:50, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Incidendatally, I am removing the numbering. Texugo (talk) 11:50, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Those sections are now gone & I have done some other edits.

I promoted it from outline to usable. What else, if anything, would it need for Guide?

Is it ready for nomination as a featured topic? June 6, 2014 is the 70th anniversary & would be a good time, if it is not too late. Pashley (talk) 16:48, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

I'm afraid it's a bit late, although the 70th anniversary would certainly not be a bad idea. Andre? ϒpsilon (talk) 17:07, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

On a quick look through, this article seems very good. One thing I wonder about (though hardly something that would cripple a nomination) is this phrase in "Go next": "People interested in earlier history might look for sites associated with William IV of Normandy." It would be better if someone knew enough to say ""People interested in earlier history can see sites associated with William IV of Normandy in X, Y, and Z." Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:14, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Done. I assume those sites are easily found, though I don't actually know, Pashley (talk) 20:08, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

That edit seems fine for now. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:10, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

In response to Ypsilon's query, in gray-area cases like this one the best barometer is how the article is structured. In this case, the article is clearly structured as a destination – it has "Get in", "Get around", "See" (listingified and all), and "Go next" sections. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 22:37, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Dagle? What's that? Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:38, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, Ikan. I'm talking into my iPhone, and sometimes Siri hears me wrong. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 22:39, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

No problem. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:42, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

So should we tag it as an extra-hierarchical region, since it does not fit directly into our region scheme, and change the IsPartOf tag?

I'd say yes. Pashley (talk) 15:46, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Done. Pashley (talk) 16:21, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

To me, this is obviously a destination, not a travel topic. It is a place you can go, not a concern like pickpockets or altitude sickness that applies at many destinations. Andre's comments above about article structure are another indicator. However, I do think it not actually matters much how we classify it.

On the other hand, I object strongly to the change of IsPartOf tag. I am not convinced that breadcrumbs are a good idea for any travel topic (see Talk:Travel_topics#Follow_up), and making this part of that hierarchy rather than the natural geographic one strikes me as really dumb. Pashley (talk) 09:24, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

I thought I had fixed this, but I see it currently has a travel topic breadcrumb. I'd like to change it to IsPartOf Normandy. Does anyone object? Pashley (talk) 00:55, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Bump. I still think this should be tagged as PartOf Normandy. Pashley (talk) 03:37, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

I can see both arguments. But I won't make a fuss if you change it. The only thing is, how would you fit it into the Normandy hierarchy? Probably as an "Other destination"? Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:07, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

German visitors?

There are no doubt German visitors to this area; for one thing there are over 30,000 German graves and many of the occupants were likely someone's grandfather.

Our current text has "The French people will be happy to see you - these people remember, and the welcome will be warm." It occurs to me to wonder, though, how German visitors are treated. Does anyone know? Pashley (talk) 13:21, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

In 2004, the German chancellor Schröder, was for the first time present at the official ceremony but didn't visit the German graves (due to German concerns, that it could be seen as paying respect to war criminals). A delegation of the German armed forces were also present for the first time. German press states "respectful reactions" from the local population. In Germany the D-Day beaches are not big symbol. Verdun & https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Stalingrad are the main German turning points in war history. D-Day was rather the final point in a long road of defeats. jan (talk) 14:53, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Pashley, we've traveled the area including the German cemetery La Cambe in our van with a German number plate and although speaking mostly English, we might have been perceived as German visitors. As far as I remember (although I couldn't swear it is really so), the monument even had information boards in German language. I didn't feel any hate or other negative emotions from the locals and I felt welcome everywhere. After all, 70 years had past and in the end, the dead soldiers were the same young boys and men independent on their nationality. And the number of people who really have the first hand experience (and still remember things) is thinning. --Danapit (talk) 15:04, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

That sounds right. My dad landed shortly after D-Day and, as a Canadian intelligence officer, was involved in the collection of evidence that eventually led to the trial of w:Kurt Meyer whose Waffen SS units shot Canadian prisoners during the fighting around Caen. By the 1970s, though, he was no longer remarkably hostile to Germans. Pashley (talk) 15:38, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Pashley, my grandfather was stationed on the channel islands and then POW in UK from 45-48. He visited the channel islands and D-Day beaches after his retirement in the 70ies but most Germans prefer to be lowkey. D-Day has never been a hot topic, contrary to some other issues, it was rather seen as inevitable. I guess that's the reason they didn't completely looted France and hoped to be POW by Western Allies. War crimes happened in France, too but it was significant less compared to the crimes in Eastern Europe & Russia. I guess this reflects the local sentiment from the German point of view. jan (talk) 16:14, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Euros for prices?

Quite a few prices in the article currently have the £ symbol. Are they actually in euros and just using the wrong symbol? Or are they in British pounds? Either way, we should have prices in Euros. Pashley (talk) 00:51, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Algae problem?

Normandy's D-Day beaches invaded by green algae

How severe is the problem? Should we cover it here? In what section? Pashley (talk) 19:15, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Deleted material

• I added some material that offers tourists an upmarket offering from the Guild of Battlefield Guides ... for some reason it vanished. I've replaced it as it doesn't violate any of the policies... unless you could say touting but then Normandy Tours is touting so clearly that rule doesnt apply —The preceding comment was added by 2a01:cb05:80:be00:4af8:a3b1:ff6:e1ec (talk • contribs)

This has been deleted & replaced more than once. I've now de-touted it & put it back. Interstingly the "guild" link actually redirects to another web site, so I used that name & link. Pashley (talk) 00:03, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Au contraire, User: 2a01:cb05:80:be00:4af8:a3b1:ff6:e1ec. The touting rule applies to every page on the site. If there is a touty listing that hasn't been deleted or detouted, you should delete or detout it yourself, except that it sounds like you have a conflict of interest, and in that case, you should post about it here, but never with the attitude that "you [who?] let them tout, so I can tout, too". Ikan Kekek (talk)

Feel free to reply to these remarks below, but please do not delete remarks on a talk page again. Thanks. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:42, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Manche

Utah beach is in Manche not Calvados. This and other factually wrong statements are made. —The preceding comment was added by 2a01:cb05:80:be00:4af8:a3b1:ff6:e1ec (talk • contribs)

First, on talk pages (only) please always sign your posts by typing 4 tildes (~) in a row at the end of the post. Second, please plunge forward and correct anything that's factually incorrect. If you think your corrections might be controversial, mention them here, but the kind of thing you stated above is very simply true or not true, so go ahead and make the correction. Thanks a lot. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:41, 5 June 2018 (UTC)