Talk:Essex (England)

Different disambiguations

Some of the places in Essex have (England) at the end, while some have (Essex). I want to write an article about Wickford so could I know which is correct? WP Randomno (talk) 11:57, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Essex (England). --Saqib (talk) 12:05, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

No, I'm talking about places inside Essex. For example: Braintree (Essex), Brentwood (England). I'm guessing (England) but I'd like to check. WP Randomno (talk) 12:10, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

@WP Randomno: Per Wikivoyage:Naming conventions#Disambiguation its Wickford (England) as its the only in England, I've started an article. Crouch, Swale (talk) 09:52, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

I don't think replying after seven years will have much merit to it. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:00, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

With a ping Randomno might come here since they were active in May last year on WP and an email may bring them back here. Crouch, Swale (talk) 11:17, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

@Crouch, Swale: Indeed it might. I don't have any intention to contribute to such an article anymore but it's nice to know the reasoning behind the naming. WP Randomno (talk) 06:38, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

Mapshape

The mapshape is wrong, leaving Thurrock and Southend out. The ceremonial county borders should be the right source to use, not the boundaries of the county council. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 21:50, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

This has been fixed, it indeed should be the whole ceremonial county, most travellers are unlikely to know the difference. Crouch, Swale (talk) 11:11, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Towns

Shouldn't Leigh-on-Sea and Westcliff-on-Sea be merged with Southend-on-Sea? similar to the consensus with some Greater Manchester towns since they're now part of the town of Southend and anyone wanting to go to them would probably look for Southend anyway. Similarly Wivenhoe and West Mersea are described in the Colchester article but although they form part of the Colchester district there clearly distinct from it and should probably be separate. Similarly there is an article at Old Harlow but Harlow is a red link, although Old Harlow is the original its now part of the town of Harlow so presumably a new article should be created for Harlow and Old Harlow merged there (or maybe just move the Old Harlow article). I'm not intending on doing those changes but I'm anyway wandering what others think? Crouch, Swale (talk) 14:04, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

I'd agree with merging Westcliffe with Southend, but not Leigh. Westcliffe is just an area of Southend, next to the town centre. Leigh seems a bit more independent, being further out, and its article is much better developed. I'd probably also agree with your other proposed changes, and would encourage you to reconsider having a stab at them if you think they need doing, because we're not exactly overblessed with active contributors to England articles. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 15:44, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

I've tagged the Westcliff article for merging but not Leigh per the fact as you've noted it indeed has more content and a bit further out. I've also removed the claims that Wivenhoe is a suburb. You can see from[1] and [2] that Westcliff and Leigh are part of Southend but Wivenhoe isn't part of Colchester[3][4]. If you're going from Wivenhoe to Colchester you have to go through a couple of miles of rural land while to go from Leigh to Westcliff to Southend you are in 1 continuous urban area. Indeed the consensus seems to be that towns of any size usually merit a separate article here but some suburban towns are merged to the larger town unless (like Leigh) someone can write a descent amount for it. Note that Alston for example has an article which is probably the 3rd smallest town in England (behind Fordwich and Broughton in Furness but not Manningtree which now includes other places). Crouch, Swale (talk) 14:31, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

• Support Westcliff merger per nomination. Ground Zero (talk) 02:30, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
• @ThunderingTyphoons!: I've gone and merged the Westcliff article given that after nearly a month no one has objected and 2 people have agreed. There wasn't that much content that wasn't already included in the Southend article anyway. Obviously if later on things change and someone really wants to expand it they can re create it but otherwise it seems consistent with policy to merge. Leigh however remains a separate article. Crouch, Swale (talk) 13:04, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for doing this. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 16:34, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

@Crouch, Swale: Please take this in the positive way it's intended, but it's actually they're. The fact you care enough to correct your typo did make smile :) Thanks for everything you've done on Essex in recent weeks, we need more like you with the time and bother.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 22:22, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks @ThunderingTyphoons!: corrected. I frequently type incorrectly but most of the time I correct it when typing (often when its underlines but since both errors were correct spelling of other words it didn't underline) or when using the "Show preview" but I often read discussions later and only notice them then such as here or otherwise when I check the discussion as its progressing such as here (I don't know how I didn't notice that on preview). Maybe some more Essex towns (and hopefully all one day) can be created. You state on you're user page that you're from Hampshire, how many Hampshire towns are missing? Crouch, Swale (talk) 13:40, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Not too many that you'd want to list are missing, maybe a couple of the smaller ones on the coast; the main issue is the low quality of article development. We try to emphasise quality over quantity on Wikivoyage; sometimes places just aren't worth their own article on a travel guide (the "sleep test" is an informal guide we use when deciding which places need articles), and the places that are worth mentioning we try to cover in a good amount of detail (hence the article status box at the bottom of every article).--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 15:07, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Yes I would say that red links left as is are fine, if the topics are worthy of an article the red links should be left red rather than created with minimal content and that if the topic isn't likely worthy of an article it should either not be created (so that readers and editors know its missing) or redirected to a broader topic. The sleep test does seem very broad since most villages will have some sort of accommodation but not many attractions. The "What does not get its own article?" is a bit clearer on that. Crouch, Swale (talk) 12:45, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Indeed. I only consider the sleep test a guideline, and you're right that a village that only has a couple of inns but no attractions should not have its own article. But gernerally, a place will have accommodation when there's a reason for there to be visitors.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 12:59, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Well most village and some hamlets probably have some sort of accommodation but nothing substantial, I guess somewhere like Hatfield Peverel would be large enough and have enough things to have an article but somewhere like Bulkington be be recommended to merge with Bedworth since although it is a stand alone village (one of the largest in the country) it is quite near Bedworth so if created that's probably one that some would ask to be merged. Crouch, Swale (talk) 12:15, 6 July 2020 (UTC)