Talk:Lancashire

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people on this site must realise that the historic county of Lancashire still exists and that lancashire stretches from manchester and liverpool and goes up to the lake district,stop pretending that greater manchester,merseyside and cumbria are counties when they are not start putting the right counties the historic ones.

As far as WT is concerned that is not correct. Please see the very clear divisions that we use for North West England and elsewhere. There have been a number of very irritating, deliberate edits recently assigning towns which are in Greater Manchester to Lancashire. This just creates work for the WT community in checking and changing them back. Whoever is doing this, please stop now.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 12:10, 3 June 2011 (EDT)

What does "as far as wt is concerned that is not correct" mean that wt can not face the truth that Historic county boundaries were not abolished and still exist,when will this site realise The Historic County Boundaries of Lancashire.

as with every other such decision at WT, it means that this will not be done until there is discussion and consensus is reached to do so.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 23:53, 2 July 2011 (EDT)

Sub-dividing Lancashire (or any other English county[edit]

Is thoroughly unnecessary. Can whoever is creating articles for boroughs within Lancashire please stop until consensus is reached on this talk page to do so. In the meantime, I am redirecting all borough articles back to Lancashire. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 21:31, 25 June 2011 (EDT)

oh what is the point in deleting things which are 100% true?what is the point at all? in future i will be using sites which are correct.i dont understand how people on this site can say that they are not in lancashire when they are.the queen says we re in Lancashire,the prime minister does so if they say we are,we are.i would definitly rather believe someone who is in charge of the country rather than just a few ordinary people who dont know anything about counties. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 82.24.71.211 (talkcontribs)

First, perhaps you can tell us specifically you are talking about? What has been deleted and why should it have been retained? Thanks.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 07:15, 9 August 2011 (EDT)
The Historic County Boundaries of all Counties are viewed as important by both locals and the government,as i am from The Lancashire area i and people around here view our Culture and heritage as important.if lets say perhaps a visitor from down south is considering visiting Lancashire,they know that Manchester and Liverpool and all other areas are Part of Lancashire,the same as Huddersfield and Leeds and parts of Yorkshire.When football is played between clubs such as Bolton Wanderers,Bury,Wigan,Blackburn and so on it is known as a Lancashire Derby.The Above teams and more are in The Lancashire football association as well as manchester united and liverpool. If Man utd play leeds it becomes a roses derby.Lancashire and Yorkshire.Lancashires ground is at old trafford.please would someone insert an historic map of Lancashire as it is really important that people recognise our culture and identity. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 82.24.71.211 (talkcontribs)

Consensus[edit]

(WT-en) Burmesedays is entirely right that an issue like this has to be resolved by consensus within the community. I accept there are undoubtedly issues here but it's worth taking time out and considering exactly what they are, and then how they relate to the function of WT. A traveller to Lancashire, Greater Manchester, Merseyside might well feel confused by the day to day description of what exactly constitutes Lancashire, and where local government boundaries appear to contradict everyday usage. So to my mind it is appropriate to briefly mention the confusion and contradictions that have lead to this. But I don't think that WT is the place to go into an extended history of changes by government to local authority boundaries and the subsequent nomenclature of these regions. It's certainly not the place to grind axes. (WT-en) Bobf 04:08, 11 September 2011 (EDT)

I meant to add - 82.24.71.211, please sign your contributions. (WT-en) Bobf 04:11, 11 September 2011 (EDT)

Merge towns into borough[edit]

Would like comments on merging Rawtenstall, Haslingden, Bacup and district (towns not yet with articles into Rossendale. Better to have one good sized article for the are rather than a number that may never even become usable status. --Traveler100 (talk) 06:53, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

County boundaries[edit]

The dynamic map boundaries are strange, wandering out to sea, creating a "Darwen Salient" above Manchester, and other quirks. Is someone able to adjust? I've added Understand text to try to clear up the distinction between administrative and ceremonial counties, which was the crux of the 2011 spat above. It's unclear if the boundary quirks stem from this. Grahamsands (talk) 17:59, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

This is a problem on basically every English county's dynamic map. The boundary is set by Wikidata, which normally uses only the area covered by a county council. At some point, I'm probably going to remove the mapshapes from all of these county maps, as they look dreadful. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 20:30, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Understand[edit]

@Grahamsands: I think you cut way too much from the Understand section that then wasn't moved elsewhere in the article. Without wishing to be too negative about your otherwise fab contributions to this article, what you've replaced it with is of little interest or relevance to visitors, and doesn't fulfil the role of a normal Understand section on Wikivoyage. Granted, the old one was far from perfect and certainly too long, but on balance I think it was more informative and gave a better overview of the county for the visitor, rather than for the local government anorak. With the exception of your nice little infobox about the Wars of the Roses, I propose that the old Understand be reinstated as it was, and a kinder pruning - rather than all out chainsaw massacre - be undertaken. What do you think?--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 20:46, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

@ThunderingTyphoons!: The difficulty was that content was scrappy unrelated paras, much of which didn't relate to the current Lancashire, eg the imperial visit to Southport. I couldn't see how to redraft piecemeal, and decided to start from scratch. This has for the moment lost material that deserves mention somewhere, eg the Lancashire Witches saga would sit well in Clitheroe. I began with the boundaries since there was acrimony about that on WV talk, but if after 45 years no-one cares, it can relegate to an infobox or be cut. I was looking to revisit this section once I'd combed the "city" pages and had a better feel for the place. What else needs to come back? Famous Lancs personalities, sports, the new universities - what's top of your list? Hope we can resolve this without reverting. Grahamsands (talk) 13:47, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Right, new content added, try that. Grahamsands (talk) 12:36, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
Have seen the messages, will reply but don't have time right now. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 12:42, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
Your version of the Understand section, now there's more meat on the bones, is certainly better written than the old one. I appreciate that you've taken the time to add info on the witches to Clitheroe as well. On the other hand, I think the rambling "Barrow-in-Furness, for instance... Leyland buses on tarmac roads" could still be cut, and either substituted with a less wordy anecdote or forgotten about, since it refers back to an even earlier form of Lancashire that most travellers, especially foreign ones, won't recognise.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 19:20, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
Getting there. No, Barrow wasn't an even earlier incarnation of Lancashire - it was there until 1974 reflecting the old stagecoach route, imagine! Thus it moved at the same time as Mancs and L'pool. That said, it doesn't have the strong Lancs cultural associations that those areas did, so it's less important for the traveller to understand. I've condensed further, will expand on the Barrow page. Grahamsands (talk) 19:46, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
I see. I may go as far to say Barrow has no cultural association with Lancs, and when compared to Liverpool that's saying something.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 00:46, 5 March 2019 (UTC)