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Welcome[edit]

Hello, Sbmeirow! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

To help get you started contributing, we've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and style, as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page. If you need help, check out Help, or post a message in the travellers' pub. If you are familiar with Wikipedia, take a look over some of the differences here.

Thanks for your contributions, but one request - per Wikivoyage:External links Wikivoyage tries to avoid adding "see *some other site*" to articles, but instead tries to include content in the Wikivoyage guide. The external links page provides more detail on why that is done, but if you have questions you can ask them on this talk page or in the Pub. Thanks again for contributing! -- Ryan • (talk) • 05:48, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi Sbmeirow, we don't allow links directly in the main text to Wikipedia, however we do have a template that can facilitate such a link in the side menu: Wikivoyage:Sister_project_links. I will remove your links to Wikipedia in the understand section. Please let me know if you have any questions. Andrewssi2 (talk) 06:09, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Go for it...so I can see an example. Sbmeirow (talk) 06:10, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
Sure, see at the very bottom of the Hutchinson_(Kansas) article in edit mode: [[WikiPedia:Hutchinson, Kansas]] Andrewssi2 (talk) 06:15, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
To elaborate more, you can see the links at the sidebar at the left of most articles. For example, in the Lyons (Kansas) article, under "Related sites," the following appears:

Related sites

   Wikimedia Commons
   Open Directory
   Wikipedia
When you are in editing mode, it looks like this at the end of the article:

[[Wikipedia:Lyons, Kansas]]

[[Dmoz:Regional/North_America/United_States/Kansas/Localities/L/Lyons/]]

[[Commons:Category:Lyons, Kansas]]

Let us know if this makes sense to you.
All the best,
Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:21, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
Hmmm, that all fine to have it in the side bar, but coming from Wikipedia I would expect related sites to be some where within the base article, like at the bottom of the article. The way the text appears in the side bar would make me think its taking me to the home page of those sites....instead of the city article at those sites...yeah I can see the real destination when I hover over it, but not just seeing text in the side bar, which is confusing. Sbmeirow (talk) 06:32, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
Obviously I'm new on here, so I have new user point of view. As a Wikipedia editor, what I would expect to see is somethin g in the main article, either at the top or bottom of the article to point to the related sites. Like a navbox at the bottom of the page or helpbox or infobox or anything that is very obvious. I'm not saying that it shouldn't be in the left column, but that Wikipedia users probably would probably be more familiar with an expanded navbox at the bottom of the article. See the navboxes at the bottom of WikiPedia:Hutchinson, Kansas. Yeah, those navboxes are plain looking, but if it something common on here, then you could spend more effort to make it "prettier". Anyway, just a thought. Sbmeirow (talk) 06:55, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
Just because you're new here doesn't mean your fresh perspective is less useful than anyone else's thoughts. I understand your point, but for wider publicity, please make a proposal at the bottom of the Wikivoyage talk:External links page. I hope you do, because you make a valid point, and maybe there's a way to do the sister-site linking better. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:06, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
Just to take Ikan's point further, there is a wide range of opinions about this on Wikivoyage, and I personally would like to see some more integration with Wikipedia articles. The more external opinions the better! Andrewssi2 (talk) 07:11, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Article naming[edit]

One additional note - in general articles only need disambiguation if there are multiple places with the same name (see Wikivoyage:Article naming conventions), so just San Francisco (since there is only one) but San Jose (California) and San Jose (Costa Rica). Hope that makes sense! -- Ryan • (talk) • 07:45, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Exactly what I was going to post about. So a lot of your moves should be reverted. If there's only one place called Hays, the article shouldn't be Hays (Kansas). Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:47, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
Hmmmmmmm, one more thing I wish WikiVoyage would sync up how things work on Wikipedia. On Wikipedia, the ancient rule for USA cities article name format is "City, State", except for 50 largest cities (I think), which use the "City" name, per some newspaper rule(?). The rules are simple because you don't have to determine if there are duplicate city names. ok, i'll leave them alone. Sbmeirow (talk) 07:56, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
If we did that, we'd have to also put the name of the departement in every French city name, the name of the province in every Italian city name, the name of the state in every Mexican city name....Nope, I don't think that would be an improvement. I do see how it would be easier for Wikipedians, of course. Perhaps this difference is something to add to Welcome, Wikipedians? Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:01, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
I was ONLY talking about USA. Wikipedia has different city naming rules for every major country, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(geographic_names) Wikipedia editors been hammering on these things long before I started editing on Wikipedia and before WikiVoyage was created. Sbmeirow (talk) 08:11, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
Regardless of what is done on Wikipedia, I see no reason to adopt different standards of nomenclature for places in the US vs. those in Mexico or any other country. This is an international site about travel. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:43, 10 February 2014 (UTC)