User talk:Visitlutsk

Hello, Visitlutsk! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

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Thanks for contributing to the Lutsk article. I'm not sure if the history section needs to be that extensive, however. Also, if you're working in the tourism sector you may want to read through our Welcome, tourism professionals section. ϒpsilon (talk) 15:47, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Also, please have a look at Wikivoyage:Copyleft. Specifically, I'd like to call your attention to this:

[Y]ou are legally responsible not to put other people's copyrighted work into Wikivoyage without permission.

What this means is that you are not permitted to verbatim quote passages from other sites that do not use copyleft, in particular those that specifically affirm a copyright ("all rights reserved," etc.). However, even copying long passages from other sites that do use copyleft is a bad idea; it's much better to paraphrase the material such that it's most appropriate to this site. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:58, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

For example, I notice that you have verbatim copied the passage on Jazz Bez from http://www.visitlutsk.com/page/en/festivals. Now, given your screen name, I might assume that you have permission to do this, despite the "© VisitLutsk 2012-2014. All rights reserved" at the bottom of the page. But how do we really know this? Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:03, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

It is also important that our Ukranian colleagues have found multiple copyright violations by this user. --Alexander (talk) 09:39, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

Please reply, User:Visitlutsk. If no satisfactory reply is received, it may prove necessary to delete all your edits. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:43, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

Hello Wikivoyage. First of all I would like to point out that it is very hard to understand the mechanism of communication with the administration. Secondly, answering your complaints of copyright violations, we have to say that the information placed by us on Wikivoyage was taken from our official site with the aim of spreading the information to a wider public, since Wikivoyage is much more popular. Concerning the matter of rewriting, we should say that if you think it is necessary then go for it, because quite frankly we are not paid to do this kind of work. We are pretty sure you won't be getting any formal complaints about plagiarism on the account of this particular information. Our aim is to give useful information about Lutsk seeing as the name of our organisation if The Center for Tourist Information and Services. It is by all means your right to delete the information and waste a hard days work, but you also haven't mentioned the means by which we can prove that we have the right to publish this particular information. Please send us a reply and maybe a manual on how to use this awkward system of correspondence.

Best regards,

The Center for Tourist Information and Services —The preceding comment was added by Visitlutsk (talk • contribs)

Hi. First of all, I hope you don't mind that I moved this reply to your user talk page, which is where you communicate with other users. Your user page can be used to introduce yourself. Secondly, please understand that, and I want to emphasize this, none of us are paid to edit this site. Yes, that means the admins like me. I get not a single cent of pay for this and do it just for fun and to try to be of service to travelers. So saying that you don't get paid to do anything but post copypasta is not really the way to get a sympathetic hearing here. We could well counter-argue that since we aren't getting paid anything, if you aren't willing to edit your content to make it conform to the style of this site, we might well choose to delete it, rather than spending time editing it. However, that said, the truth is, I don't know how you should prove that you have the right to copy this copyrighted content. I'm inclined to just assume good faith and take you at your word. Perhaps others may have another idea, which leads me to my next comment, which is that Wikivoyage, like other Wikis, operates based on consensus, including policies that were developed by consensus. Admins can operate certain special tools that might be dangerous in the hands of untrustworthy people, but we otherwise have no more say in decision-making than any other user, except to the extent that people may or may not respect us or that we may in certain cases take a more active role in discussions (but that isn't necessarily the case). So what you really need to do in uncertain situations is communicate with all users, and you do that by posting right here or, in some cases, in the Travellers' pub or the talk (discussion) page for the article in question.

In terms of the information you've posted, I haven't looked through all of it, but a lot of it looked good (though perhaps overlong in some cases and seemingly outdated in others, such as a listing for a 2012 festival that I deleted). I don't know if you added URLs to all of the listings, though. Every listing, if possible, should include a street address (not including the name of the city, etc., unless different from the subject of the article), phone number, URL, email address, price (where relevant), and description. Others may have some more remarks, but I strongly suggest that if you want your information to remain on this site and available to help travelers, that you should help edit it into some reasonable semblance of Wikivoyage style. And feel free to do it on your own time if your employers won't pay you for it, just like we edit on our own time because we feel like doing so. Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:15, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

You can send any of us an e-mail using the official e-mail address of the visitlutsk.com website. This will confirm that you are affiliated with this website and act as its official representative here. --Alexander (talk) 12:28, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

And to which e-mail address can we send the letter that you require?

Thank you for your recommendations, we will try to edit the information according to the Wikivoyage standards, assuming, that is, you don't delete the information completely and return it to the stage where Lustk is called a soviet city, which makes it a lot more unpleasant when you say that we have posted old information. As for the addresses of the festivals, we have given a description of where they are located, but not all of them are held in the same place each year, which also means that they are annual and any mention of a festival in 2012 does not necessarily make the information irrelevant of "overlong". We thank you again for your help. —The preceding comment was added by Visitlutsk (talk • contribs)

Every user page (this one, for example) contains a link "Email this user" in the left panel under the Tools section. --Alexander (talk) 12:59, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

Please sign your posts on talk pages like this one by typing 4 tildes (the ~ key) in a row at the end of your message. The problem with listing a festival from 2012 is that it already happened. We don't list events that can't be attended, only those that are happening in the present or future. So the 2014 information needs to be posted, not the 2012 information. I don't plan on reverting all of the edits you've made, but everyone has some edits reverted, and everyone's edits are further edited by others - that's the Wiki way. Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:02, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

I confirm that User:Visitlutsk is using the official e-mail address of visitlutsk.com website. They are free to share their content, but please, keep in mind that everything posted to Wikivoyage is automatically licensed under the Creative Commons license. It means that other people can re-use your texts, albeit with a link to the original version and its authors. Note also that you can't copy texts from other websites without having their permission. I hope it's fine with you. Happy contributing! --Alexander (talk) 13:30, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

Who are the admins?

Hi! A complete list of all of Wikivoyage admins can be found here Special:ListUsers/sysop As we are part of the wikimedia foundation this is controlled tightly. User:Atsirlin is one of them. I know tensions in your country are high but Alexander does good work and you can assume good faith. If you feel not comfortable feel free to involve other editors. jan (talk) 13:08, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

For background information on the admin role, see Wikivoyage:Administrators.

For licensing, see Wikivoyage:Copyleft. Note that is is not enough to just say material comes from your site and you are willing to have it here. Anything you put here must be under our copyleft (CC-by-SA) license which lets anyone modify it, copy it, and re-use it with attribution; you need to explicitly state (on the article talk page) that you release it under that license. Of course that means you must have the authority to do that, from your organisation. Moreover, the organisation must have that authority; for example, there might be photos on your site which the photographer has licensed for use there but has not given you the right to re-distribute. Such photos could not be put here without getting explicit permission from the photographer. Pashley (talk) 13:53, 22 May 2014 (UTC)