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Massive copyright infringement
I'm going to speedy delete all the articles created by User:Dronych. Dronych has been massively copy-pasting copyright text from external sources into our articles since last few months. --Saqib (talk) 11:07, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
Oppose- Aren't these real towns and cities and national parks? In that case we should remove or paraphrase the content that is there but it would absolutely not make any sense to send the articles to the landfill. If we really need to get rid of them, well, let's turn them into redirects to the region. ϒpsilon (talk) 11:20, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
- Ps. this was not a "minor edit", I just accidentally checked the box. ϒpsilon (talk) 11:21, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
- The infringing text will remain in the page history so I'm going to delete all of the articles and re-create them. --Saqib (talk) 11:23, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
- OK, I guess that makes sense. ϒpsilon (talk) 11:25, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
- Would you be interested to re-create them? Furthermore, this user has moved chunk of text from many articles to these deleted articles. I think I should revert his edits as well. What do you think? --Saqib (talk) 11:31, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
- I'll start recreating them. And yes, copypasted content should be deleted from the articles, but I don't think it's a good idea to delete and recreate the articles that already existed before his edits because that would remove the earlier edit history as well. ϒpsilon (talk) 11:46, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
- I'm not deleting the articles not created by this user. So far, I've reverted some copyrighted text the user added to articles after March 2014. Its surprising no one noticed this user is doing copyvio on massive scale since last year. --Saqib (talk) 11:51, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
- Probably because it is not a frequently traveled part of the world, therefore there can be weeks or months before anyone else even looks at the particular article again. Try to do the same in a Paris or New York City article... ϒpsilon (talk) 12:10, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
- Not a good excuse YPSI. Other than Balkans, the user has also added mass copyrighted text to some Russian, Turkish as well Nepalese articles as well. --Saqib (talk) 12:18, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
- I guess we need to keep an eye on edits by experienced editors too just like with edits from IPs. I really hate saying that. ϒpsilon (talk) 12:44, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
- Not a good excuse YPSI. Other than Balkans, the user has also added mass copyrighted text to some Russian, Turkish as well Nepalese articles as well. --Saqib (talk) 12:18, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
- Probably because it is not a frequently traveled part of the world, therefore there can be weeks or months before anyone else even looks at the particular article again. Try to do the same in a Paris or New York City article... ϒpsilon (talk) 12:10, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
- I'm not deleting the articles not created by this user. So far, I've reverted some copyrighted text the user added to articles after March 2014. Its surprising no one noticed this user is doing copyvio on massive scale since last year. --Saqib (talk) 11:51, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
- I'll start recreating them. And yes, copypasted content should be deleted from the articles, but I don't think it's a good idea to delete and recreate the articles that already existed before his edits because that would remove the earlier edit history as well. ϒpsilon (talk) 11:46, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
- Would you be interested to re-create them? Furthermore, this user has moved chunk of text from many articles to these deleted articles. I think I should revert his edits as well. What do you think? --Saqib (talk) 11:31, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
- OK, I guess that makes sense. ϒpsilon (talk) 11:25, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
- The infringing text will remain in the page history so I'm going to delete all of the articles and re-create them. --Saqib (talk) 11:23, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
- Saqib, I don't know the scope of desicions you can make as administrator. But what I see here is that you act too impulsively and base your desicions only on your point of view. As now you marked articles to be speed-deleted and have already reverted part of my commits. Isn't it supposed to be a collective work and desicion-making? My proposal is that you give me a chance to fix it: so I keep information that is my personal writings and I delete or put in my own words copyrighted content. As otherwise what are you doing - is just solving a problem with copyrighted content but at the same time wasting an opportunity to improve exising content. As yes, deletion is very effective way to solve copyvio issues, but there are better ones I thinkDronych (talk) 12:46, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
It's great that you have an interest in improving our articles about Eastern Europe, Dronych and I do hope that this continues. Saqib is just trying to protect our guides from copyright infringement which we do take very seriously. However, your proposal does seem reasonable = are you able to give us a timescale for how long it would take for you to remove any infringements if the deleted articles were to be un-deleted, please? -- Alice✉ 12:55, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks for hearing me :) I think I'll be able to sort it out within a week and say if I won't manage in time to fix any content by the end of the next Sunday I'll just delete it or list it here for deletion. Dronych (talk) 13:13, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
User:Ypsilon, I see that the content from the articles is already wiped out. Is there any way you can send me the content that was removed so I can work on it. And OK, this is what I call being too fast and based on the decision of only 1 person (Saqib). Dronych (talk) 13:19, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
- I don't have it, and I think nobody has. The articles that you added content to don't exist any longer because Saqib deleted them - not a good idea, obviously. The articles would have to be "undeleted", something that just administrators have tools to do. Unfortunately I have now made new articles for these destinations, so I suspect that the old ones with their content cannot be returned, sorry :(. ϒpsilon (talk) 13:36, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
- Dronych, please don't blame me. It's actually you who created a lot of mess lately. Articles that are completely infringements are falls under speedy deletion criteria on WV as well on WP and usually a user who repeatedly do copyvio is blocked instantly. --Saqib (talk) 13:52, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
- Saqib, if you were following the rules - then that's fine with me. Although I can see that other guys (ϒpsilon, User:Alice) were willing to give it a second chance and try to keep some information from those articles. And thus it was not completely inappropriate to do so. So please don't hide behind those rules. These were mainly your decisions rather than rules. You decided to do it in the way you see things rather than anything else like trying to contact me, give me a warning or something else. And so your response was to delete and then threat with being blocked. Well, can't call this kind of attitude as being nice or productive. Cheers Dronych (talk) 14:28, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
- Dronych, there's nothing personal here. If you want to fix your mistake, why don't you re-write the material that you simply copy-pasted before? There're still many articles to which you contributed and I've only reverted your edits, you can start from those and once you're done then I can send you the material that you copy-pasted in now deleted articles. Second thing, its true that such behaviour (copyvio) is not allowed on WV and one who do it is actually deserves to be blocked. --Saqib (talk) 14:34, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
- Saqib, Cool, man. But why didn't you propose this approach from the beginning but rather decided to savage all stuff I wrote? And sorry again I started it personal in the other thread. Dronych (talk) 14:40, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
- Dronych, there's nothing personal here. If you want to fix your mistake, why don't you re-write the material that you simply copy-pasted before? There're still many articles to which you contributed and I've only reverted your edits, you can start from those and once you're done then I can send you the material that you copy-pasted in now deleted articles. Second thing, its true that such behaviour (copyvio) is not allowed on WV and one who do it is actually deserves to be blocked. --Saqib (talk) 14:34, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
- Saqib, if you were following the rules - then that's fine with me. Although I can see that other guys (ϒpsilon, User:Alice) were willing to give it a second chance and try to keep some information from those articles. And thus it was not completely inappropriate to do so. So please don't hide behind those rules. These were mainly your decisions rather than rules. You decided to do it in the way you see things rather than anything else like trying to contact me, give me a warning or something else. And so your response was to delete and then threat with being blocked. Well, can't call this kind of attitude as being nice or productive. Cheers Dronych (talk) 14:28, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
- Dronych, please don't blame me. It's actually you who created a lot of mess lately. Articles that are completely infringements are falls under speedy deletion criteria on WV as well on WP and usually a user who repeatedly do copyvio is blocked instantly. --Saqib (talk) 13:52, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
Okay, folks, let's slow down here. Were the articles created by Dronych entirely copyright violations, or only in part? Powers (talk) 14:23, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
- Powers, articles mentioned above were created by Dronych and they were entirely copyvio so I've deleted them. Dronych copy-pasted copyrighted text into some articles he didn't created so I undid his edits to those articles but many more are still remaining. --Saqib (talk) 14:28, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
- For the first 4 articles mentioned this is true - I'm on the way to get to these sites so I've been doing some research about it and put it here. OK, thanks you corrected me - I needed to do it following the rules, that's obvious. About the last 4 ones (Valbona, Prijepolje, Novi Pazar, Sremski Karlovci.) - I contributed there myself as well, based on my experience. Anyway, if you can send me that deleted content back at some point so I can fix it - that'll be great. Dronych (talk) 14:49, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
- Powers, articles mentioned above were created by Dronych and they were entirely copyvio so I've deleted them. Dronych copy-pasted copyrighted text into some articles he didn't created so I undid his edits to those articles but many more are still remaining. --Saqib (talk) 14:28, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
Result: Articles re-created. --Saqib (talk) 10:57, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
Events by date
Pages on events by month have only maintenance updates in the last few years. Contain an odd collection events, omit many that should be in such a list and contain many that are incorrect or no longer exist. I started on the first few month to tidy but check out April ad beyond. Template:Months Events should be on the pages of locations. These pages are of little use to readers. --Traveler100 (talk) 17:25, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
- Keep; being out of date is no reason to delete a page; if it was, we'd be deleting a lot more destinations. Monthly calendars are useful for someone who knows when she wants to travel but not where. Powers (talk) 17:41, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
- agree it would be a good idea but this method is not going to work. No one updates. I think the only way is to auto generate a list from entries in city pages.--Traveler100 (talk) 17:53, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
- That's no good; the list would be too long. Powers (talk) 01:46, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
- Not if events were graded (global/local interest) --Traveler100 (talk) 06:44, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
- Sounds like that's just one more problem with this 'list'. There was a time when we were strongly opposed to the creation of list articles. --Inas (talk) 02:13, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
- Weak Keep - Any events in the past should definitely be removed however, and only recurring events kept. Andrewssi2 (talk) 15:34, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
- Considering these lists have been around for over ten years, I'm curious when that time was, Inas. Powers (talk) 17:43, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
- Keep on the same basis as Andrewssi2 offered above. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:20, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
- That's no good; the list would be too long. Powers (talk) 01:46, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
- agree it would be a good idea but this method is not going to work. No one updates. I think the only way is to auto generate a list from entries in city pages.--Traveler100 (talk) 17:53, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
Result: Kept. --Saqib (talk) 10:57, 26 July 2014 (UTC)