Talk:Downstate New York

Other destinations

Let's overhaul them. I don't see Times Square as an "other destination", and Coney Island is covered in a Brooklyn district article. I do see the Planting Fields Arboretum and City Island as other destinations. I'm liable to plunge forward, but I'm happy to take more suggestions. Particularly attractive large parks could go here. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:14, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

I agree that those two city districts can go. Beyond that, I'll need some time to think. Nelson Ricardo (talk) 06:28, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

A really tricky thing is that some of the "Other destinations" could overlap with "See". We shouldn't have too many bullets in that section, but I think we at least need one or two from Long Island, and maybe one or two more for Westchester (the name of the big park in northern Westchester with good hiking and modern sculptures is slipping my mind tonight, but I'll remember the name or ask a friend who will). For "Do", I think we should include going to performances (music, theater, film festivals), urban walking, hiking, sports, taking the Hudson Line of Metro North to and from Poughkeepsie just for the view, swimming, amusement parks, sailing, wine-tasting in Peconic and maybe more, but we shouldn't let it get too long. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:03, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

I subbed City Island for Times Square. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:47, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Cities

Let's discuss those. Should another one be listed for Long Island? If so, which one? Huntington for Suffolk, maybe? Anything on the South Shore? And are too many listed for Westchester? Maybe New Rochelle, though a nice place to work, isn't that interesting? For the record, the current list:

• 1 New York City - Almost universally called "The City" beyond city limits, New York and its skyline, media and formidable cultural institutions absolutely dominate the area. A draw for immigrants, dreamers and fortune-seekers for hundreds of years, it is a magnet for business and pleasure travel from around the world.
• 2 New Rochelle - The largest of Westchester's Long Island Sound cities, its center features a combination of historic low-rises and churches and new high-rise buildings with much larger areas of suburban houses and greenery outside of Downtown.
• 3 Nyack - A small city in the Rockland County Palisades with great hiking and views.
• 4 Oyster Bay - A hamlet on the North Shore of Nassau County, its attractions include Theodore Roosevelt's retreat at Sagamore Hill, two arboretums and many historic houses.
• 5 Rye - A well-to-do and charming town on the Sound, it is best known in the area as the home to Rye Playland, the country's only government-owned amusement park.
• 6 White Plains - The seat of government for Westchester County, its downtown has been redeveloped with upscale housing and retail.
• 7 Yonkers - The fourth-largest city in the state, Yonkers is diverse, with a long and pretty stretch along the Hudson and worthwhile attractions.

Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:25, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Huntington looks good. Long Beach might fit the bill as well. Adding 2 will take us up to 9, so we don't need to trim just yet. Nelson Ricardo (talk) 08:11, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Cool. Long Beach did have a pleasant beach when I was last there in the 90s. Not sure how much of it has eroded. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:23, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

I added both. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:29, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Looks good to me. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 03:31, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Map

I'm glad there's a map in this article now. Two requests, though: (1) Can the gray markers all be labeled or removed? (2) Can the gray markers in Connecticut and New Jersey, which are outside of the region, be removed, in any case?

In addition, there's no important reason to include the Danbury or Waterbury Lines, which are wholly in Connecticut, on this map, and I'm confused by the purple line that ends in Spring Valley and the orange line to its left. The orange line would appear to be the Port Jervis Line, but that line connects Port Jervis with New York City, yet the orange line abruptly ends at the border of New Jersey on this map and is discontinuous with the purple line. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:24, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

It is likely a mapshape that's causing the grey dots to appear. This isn't just an issue for this article as many of our French (and European in general) articles are filled with ugly markers that clutter up the screen. It's likely originating from OSM but @Matroc: might know how to fix it. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 21:32, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

I really don't do much at all with OSM which I believe is the source of all those gray markers. There was a discussion if I remember correctly concerning Chengdu a while back. It also displayed this same issue. -- Matroc (talk) 05:34, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

It's really ugly. Perhaps someone would like to create a static map. Those don't have this issue. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:51, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

I'll see if there's a mapshape in the article causing the grey dots to appear. If not, I guess sadly a static map is the only option... SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:00, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

@Ikan Kekek I put the culprit in invisible text. Unfortunately, it has gotten rid of all the lines as well, but it seems we can only have both or none :-( SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:03, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

I think that's OK and certainly preferable to the status quo ante. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:06, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

It seems like all maplines create the grey dots We've had the problem since October based on the discussion at Talk:Japan#Many grey dots on Dynamic Maps Tai123.123 (talk) 15:38, 21 January 2022 (UTC)