Talk:Gurugram

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Eateries in Gurgaon

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I have been trying to tidy up the Eat section of Gurgaon. While I have cleaned up places which closed down a while ago, I currently see a lot of listings that are not really great anymore. The times have passed them over and they don't represent good food in Gurgaon. Since this is strictly a subjective matter, I'm not sure how to proceed. I fear following these recommendations would lead to a sub-par experience. Rbtravel (talk) 03:38, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi @Rbtravel:, if you have the first-hand knowledge, I believe you should plunge forward and remove the eateries that are no longer up to standard. However, rather than removing them outright, it is best replace them with better places to eat otherwise the section will become empty. Gizza ^(roam) 04:32, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

I'd add: The goal isn't only "the best food", because that might lead to the section including only fine dining. But "my favorite of this type", next to "my favorite of that type", is certainly something I like to include. WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:45, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, I will keep both these suggestions in mind before I start editing. My concern arose from the eateries which have either gone downhill from their original standards or now reside in slightly shadier parts of town than the average traveler would like to visit. Rbtravel (talk) 14:05, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

One word of caution: Our guides aren't only for the average traveller. There are many intrepid travellers who are willing to go to bad neighborhoods for great food, as long as they're not going to get killed. Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:13, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Name

In view of this edit, should we change the article's name? Is there any reason to think Gurgaon has persisted or will persist in English? This city is not well-known outside India, so I doubt it, but it's worth a discussion before we take action. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:42, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Remember that India is also an English-speaking country, so local use matters. I searched for recent news articles about the city, and both names seem to remain current in the Anglophone Indian press, depending on publication; The Indian Express and India.com seem to prefer Gurgaon, while the arguably more prestigious Times of India and The Hindustan Times say Gurugram. Outside India, it was featured in The Guardian in 2016 as Gurgaon. If none of that particularly helps to establish the most common name, it does show that both are prevalent in English.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 08:19, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

I've been to India, so I'm certainly aware English is spoken by many people there. I would tend to discount a reference from 2016, which I'm guessing is before the name change but in any case is not current. But I take your point, and thanks for taking the time to look those references up! Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:32, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

So then what do we do? Leaving the article called "Gurgaon" while using "Gurugram" throughout isn't a solution. The two acceptable solutions that I can see are reverting yesterday's edits but keeping the information about the official name change, or moving this page to Gurugram and noting the former name in the lede and Understand. It seems to me the current best way to decide which of those to do would be to flip a coin.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 15:35, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

I think we should just move the page to Gurugram. A lot of the major media outlets are now using Gurugram. We can say "Gurugram, formerly known as Gurgaon, ..."Minal75 (talk) 22:51, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

I need to research, but my instinct is to agree with Minal75. We can always redirect users to the new name. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 23:42, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

if anyone interested in etymology trivia, the city literally means "Guru village". Gurgaon is Hindi while Gurugram is derived from Sanskrit. The local Punjabi community colloquially call the city "Gurgavaan" which has the same meaning. If there's a 50-50 split right now, my gut feel is to move towards the the new official name. Knowing how these things pans out (like Burma vs Myanmar), with a few exceptions, over time the newer name becomes more common. Gizza ^(roam) 01:22, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

DaGizza, thanks for explaining that. It's a bit odd to change names from vernaculars to Sanskrit, but I'm guessing that's part of the BJP's appeal to Hindutva (Hindu nationalism, basically). Is there much prospect of such names being changed back if the BJP is ever turned out of power? If not, then it looks like it is probably best to change the article's name. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:52, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Looks like we have a consensus to move the page to Gurugram.ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:05, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

[undent] Kind of, but I'd like to know if the name change is partisan and likely to be reversed someday. I guess that's a distant prospect, though, so yeah. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:10, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Most name changes of cities are partisan, because changing a city's name is necessarily political. We can't know how likely a reversal is, as even if all the opposition parties were saying they were dead against Gurugram and would change it back straight away if elected, if and when they got into power they might realise how expensive it is to change all the signs and official documents back again, or they might find something more important to focus on and put the issue on the back burner, or they might find people have got used to the new name and there's no real desire to change back. How many cities ever revert to an earlier name once they've changed? If the name change is really reversed in this case, then it's a simple matter for us to change the article back.ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:26, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

St. Petersburg, Chemnitz, etc., but yes, agreed. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:30, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

If we're still here in 80 years and they decide, like in Leningrad, that maybe the old name wasn't so bad after all, I'll happily revert.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:37, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

I finally remembered to get round to doing this...--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 15:04, 29 August 2020 (UTC)