Talk:Jet lag

Blanked Copyvio

I blanked out the copyvio on this page. I think this could become an article. Does anyone want to take it on? -- (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 12:13, 10 December 2006 (EST)

What about a redirect to Tips_for_flying#Jet_lag? (WT-en) Maj 13:50, 10 December 2006 (EST)

Agreed - start the content out as part of a parent article (Tips for flying), and only split it out if it becomes large and complex. -- (WT-en) Ryan 14:45, 10 December 2006 (EST)

Shilling for Boeing

As an Airbus guy myself, is it really necessary to elevate one specific plane above all others and claim it somehow magically makes jetlag go away? Hobbitschuster (talk) 15:10, 19 October 2016 (UTC) Hobbitschuster (talk) 15:10, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

I'm not particularly pro-Boing/Airbus, but manufacturers are paying more attention to jet lag and newer planes will have these features in the future. I flew a LAN Chile Boeing 787 recently on a short 3 hour flight and wonder what all the fuss is about, but maybe a longer flight would have been apparent. Long haul in a quiet roomy Airbus 380 makes a big difference to me, and I'd choose that aircraft in preference to others. Andrewssi2 (talk) 23:06, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, but the specific info-box only mentions one single aircraft manufactured by one single company and presents it as the best thing sicne sliced bread. I don't think that groks with our mission. Hobbitschuster (talk) 23:09, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Majority of planes flown in the United States (for example) are Boeing, and a tiny number of those are 787's. I don't read the advise as "fly Boeing, disregard Airbus." - do you? --Andrewssi2 (talk) 23:10, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

What would you say if for example our Tips for rail travel article said "Take the Siemens Class xyz as it has the best seats and lighting that lets you relax better than any other train" or something to that effect. Surely other plane manufacturers have some plane that they also market in similar ways, right? Hobbitschuster (talk) 23:50, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

If I book a seat ticket on any German ICE train service the experience is going to be very similar right? There would be no reason to choose a particular train model above another.

On aircraft however, if you are flying 12 hours then frankly the actual aircraft model will have a very real impact on comfort and jetlag. Andrewssi2 (talk) 23:57, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

First of, you can spend a good many hours on German trains even without having to change trains once. Hamburg-Vienna takes 9:42 on a direct ICE. As for differences between the various ICE generations just compare this to this and if you want an even more glaring contrast, compare the newest bilevel Intercity trains to this - especially in light of passengers with more luggage than average... Hobbitschuster (talk) 00:36, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Not sure where we are going with this, but anyway :) I did travel ICE from Munich to Berlin once, so I do get the long distance thing. The thing is, no matter how snazzy the ICE generation is, does it really impact you on that long journey if it is a new or old ICE? If so then it probably bears a mention.

Going back to planes, if a Boeing 787 really does help my jetlag better than a Boing 737 or an Airbus then definitely, I'm going to want to know that. I also imagine the upcoming Airbus models will also have these kind of Jetlag features. Andrewssi2 (talk) 00:58, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

The newest (yet to be fully introduced) generation of ICE (ICE 4) will be the first to allow taking on bikes, so yes, it does affect travel. Hobbitschuster (talk) 20:43, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

Guide and FTT

What travel relevant content is still missing from the article and needs to be added before it could be promoted to Guide status and nominated for FTT? --ϒpsilon (talk) 22:05, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

I think at the very least the shilling for the Boeing "Dreamliner" should be removed. Hobbitschuster (talk) 22:09, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

I would disagree, since the Boeing 787 does have actual features implemented to alleviate jetlag. Maybe it looks a bit like an advert, but frankly if I had to fly 12 hours in a Boeing 747 or a 787 I would probably choose the latter because of this. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 23:09, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Anything else? Hobbitschuster (talk) 20:44, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

Two years later and we have many new voyagers on board. Can anyone come to think of something the article needs before it can be promoted to guide? Ypsilon (talk) 19:34, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

No objections, so I promoted the article to guide. If and when Jet lag is nominated for FTT, I guess people will find interest in the article and its possible shortcomings (though I still can't come to think of anything missing...). Ypsilon (talk) 17:39, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Early as 8 AM?

We say:

While office workers in countries such as China are used to start the day early as 8 AM, people in Spain and other parts of southern Europe have a justified reputation for late-night dining.

Should this be rephrased in some way? I don't feel Finland is a "country such as China", but normal office work hours are 8:00–16:00, waking up before seven (hours vary across trades, with start 7–9 normal). Could we pick two extreme countries for office hours, and perhaps two for dining, so that either feels odd regardless of the reader's habits? –LPfi (talk) 19:00, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Yeah. I'm not a morning person, but 8-4 isn't that unusual a work schedule in the U.S., either, I think (though not one I've ever had). Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:15, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

As musician, I suppose your work schedules haven't been typical ones. Here a little to nine is quite usual for people with academic degree – often nominally eight but with flexible hours. Blue collar work often starts at seven. Doesn't matter much most of the year (unless you watch TV or otherwise are tied to schedules in your free time): in summer it is light regardless of when you wake up, and in winter mornings are dark, likewise. –LPfi (talk) 21:19, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

It's also the fact that I've very rarely worked full-time. For a couple of semesters while I was in graduate school, I used to open up a department of my grad school's library at 8:20 AM and started my shift at 8, but I was done for the day at 10. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:39, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Usually that as well in Australia, but it's sometimes 09:00 to 17:00 instead of 08-16. Of course, my time during a 108 day lockdown meant that I was much free (hence why you may have seen me editing at random times in the last few months), but now that everything's mostly back to normal, but for me, 08:00 seems usual. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:10, 27 October 2021 (UTC)