Talk:Mauricie

Chemin du Roy

"A panoramic and historic road that extends 102 km from Maskinongé to Sainte-Anne-de-la-Pérade. Fall under the charm of picturesques villages..." seems a bit problematic as text. Way too promotional in tone, and the claimed distance (a small piece of the road through Trois-Rivières that could be driven in a little over an hour) doesn't match the cited web page (which has it starting on the north shore near a Montréal suburb and going to the Québec City region). My first reaction is to ask if this was a cut-and-paste of an advertisement for the region, but I can't find a site (other than a WV or WT mirror) that makes these claims. wikipedia:Chemin du Roy "The road begins in Repentigny and extends almost 280 kilometres (170 mi) eastward towards Quebec City, its eastern terminus. Most of the Chemin du Roy today follows along the present-day Quebec Route 138." makes sense, the text here (102km and a lot of fluff and promotion) does not. K7L (talk) 04:51, 4 November 2012 (CET)

Guide article

Guide article with redlinks, style tags and have empty sections? Downgrading to usable soon, but any objections before I do that? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:39, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Downgraded. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:10, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Dividing this region up?

@Ground Zero, Veillg1: Just had a look at Category:Mauricie and there's a good fifty articles breadcrumbed underneath this region. Given I've never been to Quebec before, I'm leaving it to both of you to decide on whether splitting this article is a good idea or not, and which towns/cities should go where. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:01, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Agreed. It needs to be split into subregions, but I wouldn’t want to comment on which ones without the input of tourists and local experts. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 12:03, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

@Ground Zero, SHB2000: It is good to consider the idea of ​​splitting the article on Mauricie; however, we must think more about it by comparing to articles on other regions of Quebec. Harmonization must prevail.

Admittedly, the Mauricie covers an area of ​​39,921 km2 (including water) for a population of 266,112 inhabitants. In my humble opinion, there would be three possible ways to split the original article on Mauricie:

1. Haute-Mauricie (region of La Tuque), Moyen-Mauricie (region of Shawinigan) and Basse-Mauricie (region of Trois-Rivières);

2. according to the RCMs (municipalités régionales de comtés (MRC) - Regional County Municipalities (RCM)) and cities: agglomeration of La Tuque, Les Chenaux, Maskinongé, Mékinac, Shawinigan and Trois-Rivières;

3. simply detach the content relating to the Haute-Mauricie (La Tuque region), because it is a forest territory with large spaces (28,421 km2, or 71% of the surface area of ​​the Mauricie) where 15,059 people live (or 5,6% of Mauricie inhabitants). The Haute-Mauricie has a distinctive offer of recreational tourism activities.

In short, with hindsight, my humble opinion is to keep a single article on the Mauricie; option B would be to move the content relating to Haute-Mauricie to make it a separate article. Nonetheless, I am open to discussion. -- Veillg1 (talk) 16:40, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

@Veillg1, SHB2000: I think what SHB2000 is proposing is that the Mauricie article be kept as a region of Québec, but to help the reader navigate through all of the city articles, there would be subregion articles. Take a look at Gaspesie. Because we have so many articles for cities, towns, and parks, it is divided into subregions. Subregions should follow a logical organization from the traveller's point of view. Municipality boundaries don't really matter to travellers, so we don't follow them unless they makes sense for travellers.

Earlier this year I split up Northern Ontario's 47 destination articles into subregions, with help from SHB2000 and User:SelfieCity, who did the map. If you compare the before and after versions, I think that you will agree that subdividing makes it easier for readers. This subdivision doesn't follow municipal boundaries.

In the article, you have already grouped articles into east and west of the St. Maurice. Is that a useful subdivision (along with Haute-Mauricie)?

As you are the local expert, you will know better than we will what subdivision makes most sense. I will help move the articles once you have a reorganization worked out. Ground Zero (talk) 21:36, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, I think there are too many cities and other destinations for just one region. What Ground Zero is suggesting makes sense. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:50, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Agreed. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 22:19, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

@SelfieCity, Veillg1, Ikan Kekek, SHB2000:I think that we should move ahead with splitting this list of 44 towns and 18 other destinations into 6 sub-regions within this region:

Mauricie

• La Tuque Region
• Les Chenaux
• Maskinongé
• Mékinac
• Shawinigan
• Trois-Rivières

Any objections? Ground Zero (talk) 07:55, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

That works perfectly fine. Does this fall in municipality boundaries though? If so, I can make a dynamic map with the regions on it, similar to how I did it on New England (New South Wales). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:00, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I think this would be following the boundaries of the cities and the Regional County Municipalities (MRCs). There is a map here that follows the boundaries, but User:Veillg1 can give us a more definite answer. Ground Zero (talk) 08:39, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Perfect. Can do within a few days. Shouldn't take too long, just the OSM data updating might take time. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:35, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

@Ground Zero: Done See User:SHB2000/Mauricie regions. Feel free to edit it, and change the hex colors if needed. Took much less time as most of the mapshapes was already on OSM's database. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:48, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

@SHB2000: this looks good to me. @Veillg1: do you have any comments before we implement this? Your knowledge of the area makes you the best person to inform this discussion. Ground Zero (talk) 13:57, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

@SelfieCity, Ikan Kekek, SHB2000, Ground Zero - The division of the administrative region of Mauricie into six sub-regions seems appropriate because it corresponds to the municipal administrative sub-structure. In fact, it is the second option among the three restructuring models initially suggested for subdivision of the Mauricie article.

Concerning the region of La Tuque, it was formerly known as Haute-Mauricie; since 2002 (municipal restructuring in Quebec), it has been designated "Agglomeration of La Tuque" which brings together the city of La Tuque, the municipality of La Bostonnais and Lac-Édouard. In addition, there are three native reserves. These reserves have a special status; they do not come under the jurisdiction of the agglomeration, but must act in partnership. On the new context, the expression "agglomeration of La Tuque" seems more appropriate than "region of La Tuque".

In summary, the proposed structure is as follows (using the proposed titles):

• Agglomeration of La Tuque
• Les Chenaux Regional County Municipality
• Maskinongé Regional County Municipality
• Mékinac Regional County Municipality
• Shawinigan
• Trois-Rivières

Note: RCM = Regional County Municipality (in English) or MRC = Municipalité régionale de comté (in French).

Following the Mauricie article subdivision, it will then be necessary to create articles on the MRC de Maskinongé, MRC Mékinac and MRC Les Chenaux. Articles on Trois-Rivières and Shawinigan should also be enriched. Veillg1 (talk) 23:17, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

@Veillg1 Sure, I'll change those names on the map in just a sec. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:30, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Done SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:55, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

I don't see how adding "Regional County Municipality" makes this better for travellers. Wikivoyage:Naming conventions says "articles should use the city, region or country name most commonly used... official names are often not appropriate for use as article names". We use York Region, not "Regional Municipality of York"; France, not "French Republic"; North Korea, not "Democratic People's Republic of Korea". Do we really think that travellers would think of La Tuque as an "agglomeration" (a word used in English only by urban geographers), rather than as a region? Wikivoyage is definitely not an encyclopedia: using legalistic nomenclature does not suit Wikivoyage's conversational and informal tone. Ground Zero (talk) 06:17, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

I've undone the change on the map. I just wasn't sure whether using the full name is more common in Quebec or not. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:22, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ As there has been no further comment, I will proceed as I have proved above. This project will take a while, so things will be uneven -- a work in progress. I would appreciate assistance in adding text to the new subregion articles as I create them. Ground Zero (talk) 23:10, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

@Ground Zero Thanks for doing the split up. Nicely done :) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:58, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

I've just added some banners for the newly created articles. Feel free to replace the banner without discussion if it doesn't suit the region well. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:04, 17 December 2021 (UTC)