Talk:Mountain ranges

List for mountain range articles?

Swept in from the pub

There are a good number of extra-region mountain ranges (such as Appalachian Mountains) in WV, and as far as I can tell they do not fall into any common category. Is this something best solved by a category of just an Article of some type? --Andrewssi2 (talk) 06:11, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

If you mean category in the Wiki sense then no, we do not categories pages in Wikivoyage like in Wikipedia. If however you think there is a use to group together articles about mountain ranges then maybe create a travel topic along the lines of Waterways. --Traveler100 (talk) 06:23, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks! Mountain_ranges --Andrewssi2 (talk) 06:46, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Is this article usable yet?

It only has a couple sections, but it's lot better than it was when I started working on it. Are there any important places/details missing? --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 15:48, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

I think the outline of headers required for "outline" should be in place, and there should be "some useful material under each heading" as required for usable, before calling a travel topic article usable. It is easy to get around the latter by just leaving out sections, as there are no required sections in topic articles. I think that is gaming the system (not your fault of course, and not the intention of anybody, but still).

The outline of headers should be required from anybody starting a travel topic article. The outline shows a vision, not only a possible theme. Anyway, this has the destinations, most of which with non-trivial descriptions, so I won't nominate it for deletion, but the outline is still needed.

What travel advice can we give for somebody searching for or stumbling upon this article? I tend to check what standard headings seem sensible for the topic. Get in? Are there typical issues or means of transportation that aren't typical for all travel? Same with Get around (getting around locally should probably go into Do). I don't thing Fees and permits are applicable. Neither is Talk, unless we suppose the areas concerned are havens of indigenous languages, which might be true in some regions.

See and Do are obviously relevant. The latitude/altitude correspondence could perhaps go into Understand, perhaps also the rain and rain shadow effects. Mountaineering, Altitude sickness, Cold weather and Snow safety are now mentioned in Prepare, that's perhaps OK. But I assume climate zones and associated ecosystems, flora and fauna could be discussed in See. Is there a suitable amount of itineraries on Wikivoyage for an Itineraries subsection?

Do could discuss tours of cultural milieus and natural wonders, getting around independently and hikes and mountaineering journeys, pointing to other articles where appropriate. Is whitewatering relevant? What are mountain hikes like in the Alps, in Nepal and in Scandinavia? I think there could be some discussion on the quite different cultures (the latter two have hiking articles, hiking could be discussed also in the Alps article). What about the other mountain chains? I think we have something on England also.

Learn? Mountaineering and the like, but are there other things? Perhaps something cultural? Work: check at least the See and Do sections for things where foreigners could get work, with or without suitable skills and qualifications. Buy? Nothing special, I think, but I could be wrong. Eat and drink? Not much special I think, except for things related to hiking (including serviced hiking Alps style).

Sleep: mountain lodges, hiking and mountaineering style camping? Either just trust the hiking and mountaineering articles or have some discussion here.

Stay safe: some issues mentioned, anything important missing? Connecting is often difficult in mountains, at least off the neaten path. Some discussion?

Respect and Cope: the indigenous peoples, and perhaps building cairns and the like (some religious issues could be mentioned, pointing to relevant article sections). The Nepalese water bottle problem. Leave no trace, carry in–carry out. Toilets may be an issue.

Is this overloading the article? Are these issues covered well enough in the linked destination articles or in obvious other articles? Is this the wrong place to link or discuss these issues? What's the role of this article?

–LPfi (talk) 15:36, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

I really like these ideas. The challenge, in my view, is the broadness of the topic. What can be said that applies to all mountain ranges? Perhaps the article should be split, or even redirected. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 23:16, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

There is too much variation for the article to be meaningfully split. And where would it be redirected? We just need to avoid specifics (other than as examples, where relevant), point to other travel topic articles for specific issues, and leave the rest for destination articles or destination-specific travel topic articles. Still a challenge. –LPfi (talk) 00:00, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

Well said, and I agree so completely that I think this proves why your earlier suggestion of adding "Get In" and "Get Around" sections would be inappropriate for this article. Leave those kinds of details to specific destination articles and let this one stand as a well-focused article that guides a reader to those destinations where mountains need exploring.

By the way, I think this article should certainly be elevated to "usable"... Mrkstvns (talk) 18:47, 15 March 2023 (UTC)