Talk:Nashville

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Recent Additions/Thoughts

1) Considering adding subheadings to "See" and "Do" to further classify the activities. Considering subheadings: "Historic", "Country Music", "Outdoor", etc.

I changed some of the See and Do sections by adding subdivisions...what does everyone think about the indentations?--(WT-en) Matt ^Talk 18:07, 9 August 2008 (EDT)

Sounds good, please plunge forward! --(WT-en) Peter ^Talk 22:54, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

2) Do we really need all the colleges and schools listed under "Learn"? --(WT-en) Matt ^Talk 18:21, 9 August 2008 (EDT)

3) Why is the "haunting of the Opry" such a prominent part of the introduction? —The preceding comment was added by 74.119.169.9 (talk • contribs)

I moved it down to the opry section. —The preceding comment was added by 74.119.169.9 (talk • contribs)

Request Advice

I have been working on this article in bits and pieces over the past few weeks. I have added several things and changed the layout a bit. What else can I do? Where do you think this article needs shoring up? Thanks! --(WT-en) Matt ^Talk 18:43, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

Everything seems to look very well organized and fleshed out to me. (WT-en) Will Fuqua 10:49, 15 November 2008 (EST)

Megabus stop

The Nashville Megabus bus stop changed on 1/1/13. It's now on Nolensville Pike between Windgrove Street and Moore Avenue. Updated the article to reflect this. —The preceding comment was added by 74.179.18.151 (talk • contribs)

Alternative banner for this article?

In the Hebrew Wikivoyage we are currently using this banner instead of the one which is currently used here. Do you think too that this banner would would better than the existing one? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 06:44, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Yes, this one gives a better feeling of what Nashville is about ;) Jjtkk (talk) 07:39, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

I agree. I like the current banner, but the new one does represent more of the city. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:31, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

"Learn" section

Right now, the "Learn" section is the epitome of what we don't want a "Learn" section to be. Given that the main point of the "Learn" section is supposed to be to focus on places where visitors can take short non-matriculated courses lasting perhaps 3 weeks or less and avoid being a mere list, but that it might also make sense to mention the absolutely most famous and important institutions (although Vanderbilt could very comfortably fit in "See" as a tourist attraction), I think it's very clear that most of the list should go. What, other than Vanderbilt and the Tennessee Foreign Language Institute, if it offers short courses, should stay? In my opinion, Fisk University is a no-brainer to keep, because of its distinguished and important history. Austin Peay and Middle Tennessee State, though otherwise arguably worthy of listing, are not in Nashville and should go. I'm not sure hosting one 2008 presidential debate is a sufficient reason to continue to list Belmont. None of the other schools are familiar to me as a professor, but to be fair, I don't know the area that well. Should we delete all the rest of the listings, or are there, perhaps, some useful short courses at the community college or somewhere else? Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:49, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

I went ahead and culled the non Nashville schools and shopping malls. I would have to say Belmont is well known in the mid-south. Tennessee State is a historically black college and the largest state funded university in the city, but probably unknown outside of the local area. Everything listed below TSU are very minor schools. Schwaltz (talk) 00:25, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

And I went further and pulled out everything except the ESL school, as it's the only one which likely has short term classes a traveller could sign up for. If any of the others have something similar or need to be put in See, feel free to put them back in the article. Otherwise this stuff doesn't belong there at all. Texugo (talk) 02:36, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Vanderbilt belongs in "See," without a doubt. I made a trip specially to visit it with no interest other than seeing the campus and soaking up the atmosphere. If no-one else makes a "See" listing out of it, I may do so eventually. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:48, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

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• Vanderbilt University, . Vanderbilt, home to just over 11,000 undergraduate and professional students, offers 66 major fields of study in the arts and sciences, engineering, music, education, and human development, as well as a full range of graduate and professional degrees. It also has a beautiful campus that is well worth visiting just to soak up the sights and atmosphere.
• Belmont University, 1900 Belmont Blvd, +1 615 460-6000, . A private university offering undergraduate and graduate degree programs in over 65 different studies. Belmont University hosted the United States Presidential Townhall debate on October 7th, 2008 .
• Fisk University, 1000 17th Ave N, +1 615 329-8500, . Fisk University has a long history. It is a liberal arts college that was founded in 1866 to educate freed slaves and has since then seen many distinguished graduates.
• Lipscomb University, Physical Address: 3901 Granny White Pike. Mailing Address: One University Park Drive, +1 615 966-1000, . Lipscomb University is a private coeducational Christian institution whose principal focus is undergraduate education in the liberal arts and sciences, combined with a number of pre-professional fields and master’s degree programs.
• Tennessee State University, 3500 John A Merritt Blvd, +1 615 963-5000, .
• Trevecca Nazarene University, .
• Aquinas College, 4210 Harding Rd, +1 615 297-7545, . A private Catholic school with liberal arts and science curriculum.
• Welch College, formerly Free Will Baptist Bible College, 3606 West End Ave, +1 615 844-5000, . Founded in 1942, Welch now enrolls around 350 students per year and offers them a number of degree programs.
• Nashville State Community College, .
• Strayer University, .
• Nossi College of Art, .
• The Art Institute of Tennessee- Nashville, .
• Meharry Medical College, .
• Volunteer State Community College, .
• Watkins College of Art and Design, .
• Lincoln College of Technology, formerly Nashville Auto-Diesel College.

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Prepare for Dotm

This article looks good, but it's never been nominated for Dotm. Let's prepare it by doing things like fixing external links format and updating prices. Based on the climate chart, this would be a good place to feature during the months of April, May, September or October, and right now, we're lacking a consensus-choice Dotm for October.

If there's anything else you notice that needs work in this article, please mention it below. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:00, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

One question I'd have is, should there be any kind of "See" listing for Fisk University? It's very historically important, as a historically black college founded by W.E.B. Dubois. Jubilee Hall looks pretty but is one of only two of the university's buildings pictured on Commons and probably not worth a special trip. However, I'm wondering whether there's any museum somewhere on campus that exhibits some of the university's history. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:08, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Another thing that should be done is to give the secondary airport listings descriptions. I count 5 secondary airports, plus what looks like a charter company. Are all those listings particularly useful for travelers to Nashville? Don't we just need one commercial airport and the closest one or two general aviation airports? Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:59, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Another problem: I don't understand the Gray Line listing. "Cost was $14 one-way." From where to where? Their rates page has a lot of entries! Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:03, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

OK, I did a fair amount of listifying, external links format fixing and detouting. But I could really use some help, especially from anyone who knows Nashville better than I do and/or has visited more recently than I. I was there once in 1997 or so. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:49, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

I've pruned the list of airports and cleaned up some of the listings. I've also adjusted the Gray Line description to be more meaningful. I visited Nashville for a few days earlier this year, and I'm happy to help, though I don't know how much knowledge I have beyond what can be found online. —Granger (talk · contribs) 14:25, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Districts? An article for Downtown Nashville has been created today

An article, Nashville/Downtown appears to have been created a few minutes ago by Antony-22. However, there has been no discussion about districts, so I'm bringing it up here. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:28, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

The article was very unwieldy due to the large number of items, so it was ripe to be split. Antony-22 (talk) 08:40, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Fair enough. Only started this thread since it's standard practice to start a discussion, but are there any maps that the districts are based upon? If the districts are based off official municipal boundaries, then it is not too hard to get mapshapes from OSM, but such in huge cities are rare in the US. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:45, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Revert districts

It's been almost three weeks, and right now, I would now say this page is in a state of despair – from guide to outline, these sort of article status changes rarely happen.

These were done without discussion, and right now all these districts are at outline status with no clear boundaries set. I propose that content from all districts are to be merged back and Special:PermaLink/4451053 restored. To Antony-22 – 93,783 bytes is not "long" – many of our Buffalo districts alone are longer than that, and cities with populations lower than 1 million rarely get districts, and don't turn out to be very successful unless it's properly done with extensive local knowledge like how Buffalo, Canberra (if I say that myself...) or Washington, D.C..

I'm going to revert the districts soon, and I'll give it a week or two but I've never been to Nashville before, and were I to visit it (I would love to visit Tennessee and the Great Smoky Mountains one day and when I do, I'd certainly make a quick visit to Nashville), it's obvious that Special:PermaLink/4451053 is way more useful to travelers than Special:PermaLink/4456341 the current version; Special:PermaLink/4462583. @Mx. Granger, Ikan Kekek:, based on the above discussion, since both of you have visited Nashville, I was wondering if both of you know enough about the city to make a judgment on whether the districts are beneficial at this point, and should the districts be reverted and the article restored to Special:PermaLink/4456341? Opinions really appreciated. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 14:31, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

I was in Nashville for like 2 1/2 days in 1998, I think. Suffice it to say, I have no real input to give on districts. Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:36, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

I spent a similar amount of time in Nashville (though more recently than 1998). No strong opinions about the districts. In general I prefer keeping city articles together where feasible, to save readers having to click through more articles unless necessary. I wouldn't call the current article "a state of despair", though certainly a bit of tidying up and longer summaries for the key sections are needed if the district division stays. —Granger (talk · contribs) 20:55, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

The article as it existed was much too long to navigate comfortably. With 148 markers, it's hard to sort out what's in what part of the city. I visited Nashville two weeks ago and I split it for that reason. The current article is still a usable overview. It could use some improvement, but the collection of articles as a whole is in a much better state than it was before. Antony-22 (talk) 06:09, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

The problem is, on this site, a city is either in a single article or completely divided into districts. Plunging forward to create only one district article, while motivated by helping people, makes a bit of a mess of this site's breadcrumb navigation. So therefore, what is your proposal for a complete districtification of this city? Name the districts and give boundaries and an estimate of the total number of listings in each one. Thanks a lot! Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:39, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Antony-22: all I have to respond to "too long to navigate comfortably" is, seriously? (no, seriously, how is that "too long") For what it's worth, 18 see listings and 31 do listings is not a lot and probably what you can expect for cities of this kind while if we're talking about eat and sleep listings, 28 is ideal for eat (and is perfect IMO) while 35 is also reasonable for sleep.

Districts don't get created unilaterally, and right now, I find it hard to believe that "collection of articles as a whole is in a much better state than it was before". All of the districts are at outline status, and you've just made a guide article an outline article. None of the new district articles have a clear defined boundary, and I won't support the districts until there is a map made (either static or dynamic is fine), and while I do have the skills to make a good dynamic map, I'm not going to make it, and that won't change. Period. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:33, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

@Ikan Kekek: Antony-22 created four district articles, not just one, and they seem to cover all of the city's listings.

@SHB2000: Let's focus on which structure is more useful for travellers, rather than on the statuses, which are ultimately just Wikivoyage's own internal system. As far as I can tell, the district articles are all close to "usable" status; most of them just need a "Get in" section. —Granger (talk · contribs) 11:14, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

@Mx. Granger: Very true indeed. However, without a map clearly defining the boundaries, a reader who has no idea about Nashville will likely get lost in trying to find out where the districts are (though the names are a bit self-explanatory in this case, but still). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:25, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ Now that I've had a quick look at the district articles, my reaction is that the good news is that all of them have an adequate number of listings to merit being district articles. But it's absolutely essential to define boundaries between them; otherwise, it's impossible for a city map showing the different districts to be created and it's impossible for editors to know which listings belong in which articles. So Antony-22, now that you've leapt before looking, so to speak, you need to get back to us within 2 days or so with complete information on where the boundaries should be, or it will be necessary to revert your work. Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:16, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

@Ikan Kekek: No problem. Downtown is everything within the inner freeway loop (which is parts of I-24, 40, and 65), and Midtown includes everything within the next freeway loop to the southwest (I-40, 440, and 65). West and East Nashville are everything outside these, divided along I-65. @SHB2000: When I'm visiting a large city, I'm usually spending each day in a certain neighborhood and want to see everything of every category in that neighborhood together. When such a large number of items are jumbled up, the article is unusable for that purpose. Antony-22 (talk) 22:54, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Okay, but do you have a map? A reader who knows nothing about Nashville will have no idea where the boundaries are, and as I've mentioned before, I'm not making an interactive map. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:55, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

We should be able to recruit someone to make a map. Even without a map, terms like downtown, eastern, and western are pretty easy to recognize what location they refer to. I'll sit down and create lead paragraphs and Get In sections at some point in the next week; that will get all four district articles up to usable or guide status. Antony-22 (talk) 04:40, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Wikivoyage:Requests for maps is probably your best bet for recruiting someone to draw a map, but the reality is, barely anyone now knows how to draw a static map. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:20, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

It's been more than three months and no progress. Time to revert? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 06:47, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

And as I said earlier, I will not be making a map (static nor dynamic) for something that was done unilaterally. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 06:49, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

Just so I don't sound like I'm going to revert the districts whenever I want, I'm going put the deadline at September 1 – 3.5 months since May 19 when the first district was created. That's more than enough time to properly districtify a city. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 03:19, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

As I said on Aug 15, it's September 3 now and these districts have now been merged. Nashville really could've been a high-quality districtified city but instead, it was left as an outline article that almost had no info on what to see and do for 3.5 months. I've now changed the article status to guide. If anyone thinks I was overly hasty, Antony-22 was given 3.5 months or 107 days to be precise, but chose not to do anything about it.

Nonetheless, I've still maintained a geographical distinction and if it's ever decided that Nashville will need districts, the content is still there, but I stand by my remark – I will never make a map (neither static nor dynamic) for a city that was unilaterally districtified, nor will I even make the slightest effort to help. Feel free to make a Wikivoyage-style map but if you do need any help, no matter whoever asks me, I will not help. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 23:55, 2 September 2022 (UTC)