Talk:Rishikesh

Any support? --Saqib (talk) 11:44, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

I'd say swap it in immediately. The current banner seems to violate the spirit of our people-in-photos policy. Texugo (talk) 11:55, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Done. Nicolas, unfortunately the bot on Commons failed to verify the source of the page banner. Please have a look at this incomplete article. --Saqib (talk) 12:19, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Rishikesh article

Swept in from the pub

Hi, everyone. I've never been to Rishikesh, but it seems like an important destination for tourists and pilgrims, and the article is in need of copy-editing, Mosing, and maybe more than anything else, better, easier-to-read organization. I've done some work on it, but I won't be able to fix the whole thing on my own, so anyone who, like me, hasn't been there - and even better, those of you who have - could really help whip that article into decent shape. If it becomes very good, it might even eventually be a good place to feature on the front page, but that's pretty far down the line. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:22, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Created banner and added dynamic map. The article already has a good number of POIs but lacks most latitudes/longitudes. Nicolas1981 (talk) 05:43, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. Nice banner, and the article is looking a lot better already. I'll do some more Mosing. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:53, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

I did a little more work on the article. I think the things that are most needed right now are more subsections with subheadings, an easily understandable organization to the various listings, and more copy editing. Anyone's help would be most appreciated. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:31, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

"Get out" info in the "Get in" section

This is problematic, right? Can we have info only about trains and buses to, rather than from Rishikesh in this section? Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:48, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Agree. --Saqib (talk) 21:58, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

I finally got around to trying to deal with this problem, but the result is an unusual structure for "Go next." Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:47, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Yoga school criteria

There is now an unwieldy list of 30–40 yoga schools, mostly added by touts or the schools themselves I suppose (more schools are added all the time, often reverted). There is little that I can see to distinguish them one from another. I do not know the scene, so I do not know whether specific yoga types, the Yoga Alliance certification, teacher training or retreat arrangements are something to look for or something that every school will offer but just a dozen happen to mention.

The list should be split up or heavy-handedly trimmed down. The latter could do by amount of information offered, but a split would be more helpful. A travel topic about yoga also seems motivated, as there certainly are things to look for, which might not be self-evident, and probably different kinds of schools, which could serve as the bases for a split.

--LPfi (talk) 05:56, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

I agree. I can't think of another article that is a list of schools in one city, but in think it would be warranted here. (We do have articles like New York City with children, which I think are analogous to what you are suggesting.) It would be useful for those going to Rishikesh for yoga, and would avoid the problem of all of this information getting in the way for those not going for yoga. Ground Zero (talk) 10:44, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

We're not the yellow pages, and as there might be hundreds of yoga schools, I don't think we can list all of them. If visitors will have no problem finding yoga schools, maybe we could do without listing them altogether (just as we do with car rental businesses) and just write a paragraph or two in Do. Another alternative would be creating a separate article for "Yoga in Rishikesh" and list the schools there. -- ϒψιλον (talk) 12:40, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Since it is called "the world capital of yoga", I think there is a good argument for a branch article. Ground Zero (talk) 20:52, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

There's some pretty shameless advertising here, but it's certainly more appropriate in this travel setting than all over Wikipedia's Yoga articles. Perhaps there should be some kind of disclaimer (your mileage may vary, we don't endorse any of the schools mentioned, none of these schools existed before the 20th century, the yoga they teach didn't exist before then either, and so forth: all demonstrably true and readily sourced). Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:42, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

I've created the article, and cut out touting. If you'd like to provide a disclaimer, go ahead. Thanks for reviving the discussion. Ground Zero (talk) 13:14, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Article protection

Since a huge majority of the edits to this article since at least April, 2018 have been touting, I just reinstated protection, such that only auto-confirmed users can edit the article. If you're a new user or use an IP and want to edit the article, post here on the talk page what it is you want to edit, keeping in mind Wikivoyage:Don't tout and related guidelines. Thanks. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:38, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Incomprehensible addition

The intro was incomprehensible. The culprit was an edit by Sumita Roy Dutta in 2018. The current wording (with the addition in italics) is:

Rishikesh is a small town in the northern state of Uttarakhand, India. Scenically located where the Ganges River comes down from the Himalayas, Rishikesh catapulted to Western fame when the Beatles dropped by for a visit to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's ashram where they had practised meditation here for weeks and created some beautiful songs. Ashram (was closed til Dec 2015) has been reopened to the public. It comes under Rajaji Tiger Reserve. The town is still known as the World Capital of Yoga. Entry fees to ashram complex ₹600 per person for foreigner, ₹150 for Indian, ₹75 for senior citizen, ₹40 for students (they must carry certificate from their institution).

I am going to revert. If the ashram that Beatles visited again is in operation (with an unbroken tradition) it is probably worth mentioning under See or Do, but prices in the lead? I also do not understand the tiger reserve part. Is Rishikesh or the ashram in the reserve? Somebody wants to salvage something?

--LPfi (talk) 14:40, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Outdoor activities - explanations or business listings?

The section Outdoor activities Special:Permalink/4557191#Outdoor activities (permanent link) is a mess. It starts by explaining typical rafting tours, but what follows is a mix of listings of specific activities (cliff jumping, rappelling, rock climbing, trekking, white water rafting), business listings (Bungee jump, Majestic Tour India, Team 4 Adventure, Reverse Bungee Jumping/Thrill Factory), and the two combined (Nearby excursions, now removed, and Camping).

The activity listings do not make clear whether they are about something typically offered, something offered by a specific business or something you can do by yourself.

I'd remove the nameless businesses with only a telephone number, but I don't know what to do with the activity descriptions. We should probably describe all common activities first and then have a list of businesses, but I wouldn't want to describe a one-business activity outside of their listing.

–LPfi (talk) 13:59, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Add an edit notice?

This article is perhaps one of this site's biggest magnets for touts. I've always had the idea of indefinitely semiprotecting this article, though I doubt I'll get very far with this. However, I don't think the current header with the wording "[e]dits should not be made for the purpose of advertising or promoting a business or service" does a great job in preventing touts.

Would an edit notice with the following text suffice:

--SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 10:32, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

@ThunderingTyphoons!: given how you protected Yoga in Rishikesh a while back, any thoughts on this? --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 10:35, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Given the few recent instances of touting after I started this thread, I went ahead and created the edit notice. If this works, I'll leave it up there, but if there's any objection, then I'm happy to remove it. Link for those who need it. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 09:13, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

I don't think the touts will read or understand the touting guidelines. I think some words in the edit notice on how to make a listing useful would be more effective. –LPfi (talk) 17:55, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

@LPfi: if you think advice should be added to the edit notice, I'm all for it. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 05:02, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

@SHB2000: How do you find out the name of edit notices used in the MediaWiki namespace? One can of course search for the text, but is there an easier way? I won't edit the text now, but will probably try later. –LPfi (talk) 08:44, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Indefinitely semiprotecting the article may limit the number of touts, but it may also restrict the ability of legitimate contributors to make valuable edits. Regarding the effectiveness of the proposed header, it is true that not everyone will read it, but having it in place is still a useful deterrent for some. Roovinn (talk) 09:31, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

@LPfi: for this one, MediaWiki:Editnotice-0-Rishikesh. The 0 represents the namespace number (0 for mainspace), while the article is of course, the article. It's a bit different on this wiki compared to some other wikis where edit notices are subpages of Template:Editnotice. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 09:55, 27 March 2023 (UTC)