Talk:Sudan

Formatting and language conventions For articles about Sudan, please use the 24-hour clock to show times, e.g. 09:00-12:00 and 18:00-00:00. Please show prices in this format: SDG100, and not 100 جنية or £100. Please use British spelling.

Transportation

Travel by truck A lot of travel in Sudan is done by truck. If you go to a truck park, normally near the market, you should be able to find a truck driver to take you where ever you want, conflict zones aside. You travel on top of the load with a large number of others. If you pick a truck carrying bags of something soft like peanuts it can be quite comfortable. Beer trucks are not. If the trip takes days then comfort can be vital, especially if the truck goes all night. It helps to sit along the back, as the driver will not stop just because you want the toilet. The cost has to be negotiated so ask hotel staff first and try not to pay more than twice the local rate. Sometimes the inside seat is available. Food can be bought from the driver, though they normally stop at roadside stalls every 5/6 hours. Departure time are normally at the start or end of the day, though time is very flexible. It helps to make arrangements the day before. It is best to travel with a few others. Women should never ever travel alone.

Travel to CAR If the situation in Darfur calms down, trucks will resume from the border to the CAE capital. The trip is an exceptional adventure as it passes through jungle and backwoods Africa. However the road is dirt the first third and turns to a mud bog during the wet season. Consequently a two/three day trip can turn to a two/ three week trip as you winch from bog to bog. Take extra food etc. Always book through to the capital or you may be stranded in the middle of nowhere.

For future reference the Project:CIA World Factbook 2002 import can be found at Talk:Sudan/CIA World Factbook 2002 import. -- (WT-en) Huttite 17:23, 1 Apr 2005 (EST)

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• I removed the part in "Get in" saying that you should not bring up political/military topics on border posts. I think this is common knowlegde if you travel countrys that your cov considered a country of evil - Peter 02:46 CET, 21 June 2006 (EST)

Arabization

Author wrote: "Note: program of "Arabization" in process" I have a question - what the hell is "Arabization?" Who administers this "program?" The janjaweed, which murders hundreds of thousands black Africans or non-Arabs? Why doesn't WikiTravel call this "program" what it really is - a genocide of non-Arabs? I'm going to change this. WikiTravel cannot have any credibility if one shred of false information is given. (WT-en) Sapphire 04:19, 1 April 2006 (EST)

This is a travel guide, not the International Court of Justice. Neither term belongs here. (WT-en) Jpatokal 07:21, 1 April 2006 (EST)

(WT-en) Evan and (WT-en) Maj obviously have strong enough faith in you so I'm not going to argue about this, but I wish to make one point clear. I was not talking about the Sudanese government and the two major rebel groups, the Justice and Equality Movement and the Sudan Liberation Movement. I was talking about civilians. The problem I have is we are not being truthful. I could care less about the "parties" what I care about is trying to convey the truth about a situation which is deadly enough for civilians that don't pick up arms. What is to stop the Janjaweed, known to be sponsored by the Sudanese government because the VP spilled the beans on that, from prevent foreigners who have seen too much from killing the foreigners there. Additionally, a major part of traveling is traveling with a conscience - I.e. Eco-tourism. WikiTravel users need to be aware of the fact that hundreds of thousands of civilians have died. Would a traveler go to Sudan and spend money, some of which will be taxed and go to the government, which could help finance this war if he/she/they knew the truth that it's not just a rebel group fighting for the independence of the Darfur region, but instead a genocide. I sure wouldn't. A quick survey of 25 people only one person would tell you that they know the situation in Sudan is genocide, not a armed conflict, which, unfortunately the warning does not convey the full severity of.

sudan is a great country

Do not lisen to the bbc go and see it for yourself and speak to some sudaness people they will tell you what is happen for really!

Yeah, the article contains bullshit. Please Project:Plunge forward and fix it. -- (WT-en) Colin 22:33, 19 June 2006 (EDT)

Sudan is a amazing contry, it has problems but what contry dosnt. It is slowly improving though.

Work times

I rolled back the addition of a work schedule for Sudan. Although it was interesting, it didn't seem to be useful for travellers looking for work in the country. I think the info could be summarized in a single sentence. --(WT-en) Evan 11:33, 22 December 2006 (EST)

South Sudan

As many of us would know, Southern Sudan will become independent on 9th July as the Republic of South Sudan. Should we create a new country page called South Sudan, or leave it as part of Sudan? (WT-en) Superdog 05:29, 25 June 2011 (EDT)

We will have to create a new nation out of our "South Sudan" and create a new Sudan map, a South Sudan map, and probably even edit maps of neighboring countries to show this new border however, that can't be done until we know concretely where the borders will be drawn. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 00:06, 3 July 2011 (EDT)

I can think of the following map amendments: South Sudan, Sudan, Africa, CAR, Ethiopia, Uganda, Kenya, DRC and Sahel. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 00:25, 3 July 2011 (EDT)

I guess also any world maps, like in the Talk article. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 01:06, 3 July 2011 (EDT)

Gah, I wish they'd consult us before making changes willy-nilly like this. Sets the Project:Regions map Expedition back... --(WT-en) Peter ^Talk 21:29, 6 July 2011 (EDT)

Registration

Shortened this edit to a short, 3rd person one, but thought it should be put here:

• As of 2010, many towns no longer require registration although I did have to register before being allowed to check in to lokandas in Karima and Dongola*

Anyone that can verify this? My thinking is that perhaps the police are just disorganized/lazy and you could get in trouble by police elsewhere in the country or when leaving (fixed with some $$, of course). (WT-en) AHeneen 23:50, 20 October 2011 (EDT)

Borders

The borders shown in this article (twice) are what Sudan claims them to be, not the actual reality on the ground and not what Egypt claims them to be. This should either be changed or made clearer. Hobbitschuster (talk) 23:46, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Currency, time and spelling conventions

Below is a proposed infobox to let readers know which formatting conventions to use in Wikivoyage articles. Do you agree with these proposals? If you have direct knowledge of what is most commonly used in the country, please let us know. Ground Zero (talk) 16:57, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Moved to the top of this article. Ground Zero (talk) 12:43, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

Outdated prices

As the pound fell from 55 to the USD to 400 to the USD in March 2021, I think any prices quoted in SDG should be removed from articles unless they are date stamped after March 2021. Ground Zero (talk) 01:59, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Relative prices may not have changed that much, especially inside a specific sector. An expensive hotel is probably still expensive. I suspect the sectors (and specific venues) that rely on imported goods or have visitors from abroad have had more steep price changes than the rest. A cautionbox and a discussion in Sudan#Buy is probably warranted, but I don't think removing prices serves the traveller. –LPfi (talk) 19:38, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

I see no reason that relative prices would not change. In cases of hyperinflation, I think there would be a wide spread of changes in prices of various products. I also don't think that readers will readily grasp the concept of "relative prices", but instead will see that Wikivoyage's prices are woefully out of date. Ground Zero (talk) 14:01, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

They will change of course (I worded it badly), but expensive places will probably stay expensive, and might get relatively more so. Depending on the importance of import, devaluation in respect to other currencies may not affect local prices in all sectors, so some prices might still be at the right magnitude. The former is perhaps best handled with keeping the price categories and edit {{sleeppricerange}} & al. For eateries, there might be changes depending on served cuisine and hard-to-predict influence by competitors' changed situation, so perhaps the prices say little. Anyway, I prefer travellers seeing that prices are woefully out of date (and us stating so) than that we delete the little information we have. I'd like to defer to people knowing the facts on the ground; do we have contributors from Sudan, or has anybody been there lately? –LPfi (talk) 14:31, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

I have already removed prices from most articles. I think only Khartoum still has prices. The prices usually did not have dates attached to them so at best they were useless, and at worst they are misinformation. I don't think restoring this obsolete information is a good use of time. It would be nice if we had {{sleeppricerange}} for Sudan articles, but we do not have that level of detail. It would really good if someone with local knowledge could provide updates. Ground Zero (talk) 18:32, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

OK. Yes. –LPfi (talk) 20:03, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Guests to your hotel room

The UK travel advisory says

"Homosexual practices and extra marital relations are illegal and subject to severe penalties. This includes inviting guests into hotel rooms."

It is confusing that the extra-marital relations are discussed in the paragraph on LGBT, but I assume you don't get punished for extra-marital relations by having a male friend to your room, but that this rather refers to khulwa.

If I understand correctly, a mixed group of Westerners, visiting each other's rooms, could get in trouble. I added a sentence on it, but as I don't know the facts on the ground, I'd appreciate somebody checking and rewording. '

–LPfi (talk) 20:25, 25 May 2023 (UTC)