Talk:Uluṟu-Kata Tjuṯa National Park

WOW! So glad to get this started. --(WT-en) Evan 11:32, 21 Jan 2004 (EST)

The website writes several words with underlined letters: Uluru, Kata Tjuta, Anangu. What does this mean? -(WT-en) phma 22:11, 29 Mar 2004 (EST)

I remember reading about it somewhere, but I forgot where exactly. If I remember well, these sounds are made with the tongue curled upwards and with the tip of the tongue touching the top of the palate instead of the front or the teeth. (WT-en) Dhum Dhum Akubra 11:21, 30 Mar 2004 (EST)

The Pioneer Backpackers Lodge

An excellent place to stay - cabin accomodation all newly decorated, clean, nice linen, and they had thought of every last detail. Cost $41pppn and was worth every cent! Staff were friendly and helpful. Within the lodge part of the resort there was: A pool, a pool table, gift shop, a bar $12 per jug of VB), bottle shop open until 9pm (unsure of prices), a restaurant, a guest kitchen if you had bought your own food, and a 'cook your own' barbie where you can purchase a variety of meat or fish, cook it yourself, and then help yourself to the all you can eat salads, side dishes and sauces. Cost between $23 and $27 depending on what meat you had - very good value when you see what sides you get with it all - a meal fit for a king! Ayers Rock Resort offers a variety of accomodation from camping through to 5* but the resort is spread out well into the sections of different accomodation. There is a shopping centre approx 5 mins walk from the PBL which has the following: IGA supermarket, Restaurant, Take-away, a couple of gift shops, a newsagents, an ANZ bank and ATM, and a post office. There is a petrol station not far from PBL in the opposite direction. Pretty much everything you could possibly need out there - and all within 10 mins drive of ULURU!

Greyhound Australia

There is no Greyhound Australia bus service between Alice Springs and the National park anymore. There are a number of different companies that run tours there however. The Rock Tour is one, and Greyhound Australia does resell their tours. (WT-en) Corvo 21:56, 1 June 2009 (EDT)

Ayers Rock

Regarding this edit, I've heard of Ayers Rock but didn't know it has a new name, so I would think "also" is correct in this instance. Is it politically incorrect to use the English name, or is there some other reason not to state it as an alternative? This sounds like an issue that is similar to the naming of "Denali" / "Mt. McKinley", but I (obviously) know next to nothing about Australia. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 13:56, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

When the surveyor William Gosse first visited the rock in 1873 he named it after Sir Henry Ayers, then the chief secretary of nearby South Australia. Uluru is a local indigenous name. In 1873, Ayers Rock and Mount Olga were named by the SA Government (South Australian Parliamentary Paper 48 of 1873). Since 1894, both Uluru and Kata Tjuta in varying forms have been recorded, though not as widely as their English equivalents, by the SA Government. On 15 December 1993 this large rock was the first officially dual named feature in the Northern Territory - Ayers Rock / Uluru. The South Australian Government originally had jurisdiction over the Northern Territory, it was later transferred to the control of the Australian Federal government. Currently the Northern Territory is a federal territory of Australia. Uluru / Ayers Rock is in the Northern Territory.

NT Place Names Register-Place Names Register Extract from http://www.ntlis.nt.gov.au/placenames/view.jsp?id=10532

• Uluru / Ayers Rock

(copy and pasted from NT gov web page)

• Name Uluru / Ayers Rock
• Type Designation Mountain
• Place Id 10532
• Place Type Feature
• Status Registered
• Date Registered 6 November 2002
• Location (Datum GDA94)
• Latitude: -25° 20' S (Decimal degrees -25.3415)
• Longitude: 131° 02' E (Decimal degrees 131.0354)

__________________________

Place Naming Committee for the Northern Territory (Northern Territory Government)

from http://www.nt.gov.au/lands/lis/placenames/policy/dual.shtml

Dual Naming of Features

Policies | Rules | Guidelines | Generic Terms | Dual Naming

(copy and pasted from NT gov web page)

In the Northern Territory, dual naming is where a physical feature has been officially given a name which includes both the traditional Aboriginal name and the introduced European (or English) name recorded by an explorer.

The name can be in either order and is separated by a solidus (/) and is registered as one name. The order the name appears will be determined by the Place Names Committee after consulation with all interested parties.

The name as approved and registered should be shown on and in official documents and publication, however in unofficial documents and publications either name can be used.

Over time the order the dual names appear may be changed.

Information on "dual naming" of places in Australia can be found on the publications page of the Committee for Geographical Names in Australasia website.

Example - Uluru / Ayers Rock

In 1873, Ayers Rock and Mount Olga were named by the SA Government (recorded in South Australian Parliamentary Paper 48 of 1873).

Since 1894, both Uluru and Kata Tjuta in varying forms have been recorded, though not as widely as their English equivalents, named by the SA Government.

On 15 December 1993 this feature was the first officially dual named feature in the Northern Territory - Ayers Rock / Uluru.

Following a request from the Regional Tourism Association in Alice Springs, on 6 November 2002 the order of the dual names was officially changed to Uluru / Ayers Rock. Further information on Uluru / Ayers Rock can be found in the Register.

The edit: It is best known for Uluru (also known as "Ayers Rock"), a single massive rock formation, and also for Kata Tjuta (also known as "The Olgas"), a range of rock domes....appears to be correct if we refer to the NT gov and the Committee for Geographical Names in Australasia as suitable sources. -- Hope this assists. -- (WT-en) felix 15:52, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

Banner

Hi, I've created two tentative banners for this page: —The preceding comment was added by Romain.pontida (talk • contribs)

existing banner

Thanks a lot, Romain, but I like the existing banner better. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:41, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

These are interesting banners that you have suggested; however, with both of them the lighting does not capture the rock in the best way. If there wasn't a custom banner I'd definitely go along with them, but as it is I prefer the existing banner. However, if we have a place for these banners you have created, we should use them, since they are quite good. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 23:46, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Tour companies based in ... section.

My edit to put in the list of tour companies that **actually** operate in the area is specifically so that people can *avoid* touts.

Basically unless you are dealing with one of those companies directly, you are going through either a tour operator or a tout.

AnandKumria (talk)

• Without contact information or addresses or phone numbers, they're useless, you know...? AND, if you were the owner or worker of one of these tour companies, and had the objective of promoting them without disclosing your affiliation, what would your narrative be? Ibaman (talk) 12:04, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

Re-sellers of local tours

As per this edit, most of the tour companies listed in this article are re-sellers that charge customers more for the same service. These types of companies are not supposed to be listed in Wikivoyage articles, per Wikivoyage:External links#What not to link to. Could AnandKumria or anyone else who knows which of the listings are for resellers please delete all such listings and change the warning in the latest edit to simply state that there are many re-sellers and people should avoid them? Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:14, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

As much as would like to Ikan Kekek to correct the list, when I did list the actual tour operators my edit was reverted by Ibaman (twice) for promotion. It wasn't until I discovered your alert that I read that they wanted contact details. However, by reverting (and suggesting I was promoting) and also attempting to cast aspersions upon my affiliation; I don't want to bother until I know exactly what would be needed for the edit to stick.

--AnandKumria (talk)

• We WV admins can perhaps be criticized for maintaining a very high-strung unstopping anti-spam, anti-touting atmosphere surrounding this great online travel guide. I admit that sometimes I deserve to be described as "overzealous". Please follow Ikan Kekek's advice, include exact contact details for the actual tour operators, and all will be fine. Ibaman (talk) 15:16, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Rename to Uluṟu-Kata Tjuṯa National Park

The name with the macrons seems to be the more popular name and also the one Wikipedia uses. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:21, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

It is more difficult to write and link to, so most page hits would go via the redirect. I don't know whether that is an issue. Wikivoyage:Naming conventions seems to think it isn't. –LPfi (talk) 19:47, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

I'm sure most people aren't even searching this term up and instead just search up "Uluru". SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:50, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

In saying that, getting accents are not easy on my American keyboard. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:50, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Rock art

For reference about the rock art:

• https://parksaustralia.gov.au/uluru/do/rock-art/
• https://parksaustralia.gov.au/uluru/do/rock-art/kulpi-nyiinkaku/
• https://parksaustralia.gov.au/uluru/do/rock-art/kulpi-mutitjulu/
• https://parksaustralia.gov.au/uluru/do/walks/kuniya-walk/
• https://parksaustralia.gov.au/uluru/do/walks/mala-walk/

Banner

Will add some more soon. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:25, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Banner 0

Banner 1

Obvious substitution of Banner 1 for the existing banner. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:25, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

I've replaced the banner. Maybe the old one can be used for the Northern Territory, but I'm hesitant to do so because (apart from the ACT) that's the only state level region that has a cultural banner, not a natural one (but the NT isn't a state). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:53, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Dashes

I would suggest that we drop the underdashes in "Uluṟu-Kata Tjuṯa". They mess up fonts and add no useful information, since the distinction between alveolar and retroflex consonants is not phonemic in English. Instead, let's do what Wikipedia does: note once at the beginning, drop through the rest of the article, maybe add in an infobox of explanation. Jpatokal (talk) 08:17, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose That's a bit like renaming Réunion to Reunion and Uluṟu-Kata Tjuṯa National Park with the macrons is the most common name in English per Wikivoyage:Naming conventions. Also, it's worth noting that Wikipedia also uses w:Uluṟu-Kata Tjuṯa National Park with the macrons. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:59, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
  • Citation needed re: "most common". Wikipedia seems to use that title because it's what UNESCO uses, although that article only uses it once in the title and drops the dashes for the content. WP's individual "Uluru" and "Kata Tjuta" articles are also dashless. Jpatokal (talk) 08:05, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

    Because Parks Australia also uses the macrons. While I'm often all for support when it comes to most common name in English, I am not when it comes to names of national parks. You could also theoretically use the same argument for removing the slashes in Aoraki / Mount Cook National Park (official website) or Tjoritja / West MacDonnell National Park (official website). So no, ultimately, I oppose removing the macrons. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:09, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

• There are no exceptions to these guidelines. If not using the macrons is more common in English, the macrons need to go. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:15, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

  As I mentioned before Parks Australia uses the macrons and that is English, not Pitjantjatjara. Also, it's worth noting that Google Maps, OpenStreetMap, and Bing Maps all use Uluṟu-Kata Tjuṯa National Park with the macrons while Apple Maps uses the macrons to refer to the park and the name without the macrons points to some accommodation a couple of kilometres off. So ultimately, it should be kept as both the official name and the more common name in English. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:37, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Is it more common in English or not? Your remark above suggests that you might not care, but for example, what spelling do Australian media organizations use? Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:38, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

• In what way do they mess up fonts? Do they mess up the fonts assigned in common.css? If they are a real problem for legibility, then we probably need to do something, but perhaps they are a problem only in some circumstances that we can special-case in the CSS. –LPfi (talk) 15:28, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
  • On my Linux box with Chrome, the characters ṟ and ṯ are not available in the default font, leading to inconsistent glyphs and an higgledy-piggledy baseline that looks terrible: https://imgur.com/a/sBKzYh0 Jpatokal (talk) 08:05, 15 March 2022 (UTC)