Template talk:NordicCountries

Territories mentioned

Earlier versions of this template mention the five sovereign Nordic countries. Åland, the Faroe Islands and Greenland are self-governing entities, each with a national identity on its own. Svalbard and Jan Mayen have no autonomous government and no cultural identity; there is no such thing as a "svalbarder" or "janmayener". From the traveller's point of view, Svalbard is an interesting destination, as one of the few places in the high Arctic served by regular flights. Jan Mayen has no scheduled transportation and low tourist appeal. At the very least, we should drop Jan Mayen from the template. /Yvwv (talk) 13:21, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

I self-reverted my edit. Not sure whether Svalbard should stay though. It has a separate visa policy, but that's about it. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 14:17, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Nordic countries navigation box

Swept in from the pub

User:Yvwv has added this navigation box to the Understand sections of some articles:

Nordic countries Denmark (Faroe Islands, Greenland), Finland (Åland), Iceland, Norway, Sami culture, Sweden Boating • Cuisine • Folk culture • Hiking • Music • Nordic Noir • Right to access • Sauna • Winter Nordic history: • Vikings & Old Norse • Danish Empire • Swedish Empire • Monarchies

I am not aware that we have this type of navigation box in any other articles. It seems to me to be a new thing. Do we want to adopt this style for other groups of articles, e.g., the Baltic states, the Francophonie, Caribbean nations? I think we should have a discussion about this before it is adopted more widely. Ground Zero (talk) 13:38, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

There are a few templates that look like this and I never understood why we wouldn't use the ""Go next" section instead, as we do in other articles. Or "See also" or whatever it is. This is the kind of content I'd expect to see at the bottom of the page. It doesn't make sense to me to show other things I might be interested in seeing before I've decided if I'm interested in the current page. I'd assume it's done for consistency, but you can copy-paste between a handful of articles and be done with it. These are only used on Travel topic articles I believe? ButteBag (talk) 19:52, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

There is no coherent policy for navigation boxes, and maybe we should keep using them ad hoc. I would argue that the Nordic navbox is meaningful for several reasons:

• the Nordic nations have a common identity
• much of the advice applies to all or most Nordic countries (right to access in the Nordic countries etc)
• we have many thematic articles for these countries.

"Go next" strictly includes geographic articles and not travel topics, and they also imply proximity or ease to travel; from Denmark it is easier to visit Germany than Finland, but Germany is not a Nordic country while Finland is. /Yvwv (talk) 15:22, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

This one is used in destination articles, e.g., Faroe Islands#Understand. WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:40, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Agreed: This is not useful for "Understanding" the Faroe Islands, but it could be a good way to organize the culturally relevant locations in the Nordic/Scandinavian region. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:45, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Such boxes are new thing, yes, a few years old. In addition to the Nordic one(s), they can be found in some groups of travel topics. I am generally not enthusiastic about navigation boxes, so I won't tell my biased opinion on this one, but I think the intension is to put the article in a context up front, which the See also or Go next sections do not do. –LPfi (talk) 11:13, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

I didn't see this before, but we do have similar navigation boxes for certain Tasmanian world heritage parks (see Southwest National Park, for example – cc ButteBag as these are not just used on topic articles) and cycling topics (e.g. Cycling in China). I find these useful, but maybe that's just me. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 09:41, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

Yeah they just rub me the wrong way for some reason, but whatever lol. To GZ's original question, maybe we could add them to this page so we could see all of them in one place? Maybe it'd be easier to make an informed decision that way. ButteBag (talk) 19:56, 26 January 2023 (UTC)