Wikivoyage talk:User account migration

Process

I'm limited in how much I'll be able to participate, but I can probably help out with renames. However, I've got some questions/concerns:

1. What do these "rename" requests entail? Are we actually going to rename the "(WT-en) Ikan Kekek" to "Ikan Kekek", or will we just move the old user pages (WV-en and WT-en) to the current Wikivoyage user pages, leaving Template:wtuser or Template:wtuser and a soft redirect on the old page?
2. How should credentials be determined? It would be nice if each "rename" request included a link to an identifying edit on Wikitravel, Wikivoyage, or some other cross-identification, as well as a signature from the requesting user, otherwise it's tough to verify that the two accounts really are the same. http://www.wikivoyage-old.org/general/WMF_Migration/New_policies/Cross-identification_of_accounts mentioned (for example) making an edit on the site to be merged, something like "I am verifying that this account can be merged to other sites".

Until these two issues are resolved I'm hesitant to perform any action. -- Ryan • (talk) • 03:33, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Ryan. What I'd like is for the old user pages to be moved with a soft redirect, and for my contributions on Wikivoyage and Wikitravel, if possible, to come up when I type "My contributions." For verification, have a look here[1] and here[2]. I'm sorry that action is necessary; I did fill out an account migration form before this process commenced, but I guess the action didn't go through. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:19, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Mediawiki does not allow merging of accounts. I suggest that the current User:Ikan Kekek account be renamed to User:Ikan Kekek (usurped and the old User:(WT-en) Ikan Kekek *OR* User:(WV-en) Ikan Kekek be renamed to User:Ikan Kekek, depending on user preference and which user has the more relevant history. Then the remaining two user pages (User:Ikan Kekek (usurped and either User:(WT-en) Ikan Kekek *OR* User:(WV-en) Ikan Kekek depending on which one wasn't moved) can then be simply redirected to User:Ikan Kekek so that anybody looking up the user would be immediately taken to the correct username and userpage. Snowolf ^{How can I help?} 11:26, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

I think I can say with great confidence that my account is not usurped: It's just the same account I have at Wikipedia (both accounts were under the same username). I prefer not to explain in public how I know that, but I do.

So you know what? I guess this really isn't that important. I can just copy and paste my user page from User:(WV-en) Ikan Kekek and put a link to the talk page on my new talk page. So forget it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:18, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

I've merged the User:(WT-en) Ikan Kekek account into User:Ikan Kekek. Please report any issues if you find them. -- Ryan • (talk) • 20:26, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

There's a special page that has been created just for Wikivoyage that should be accessible to crats, Special:UserMerge. I think there's a couple of text boxes there and you enter the old username and the new username -- not sure entirely what it does (whether it actually merges accounts or just moves user pages), but perhaps we shuld try that? Thehelpfulone 12:29, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

I suppose I could test it on myself, but I've been reluctant to do so. The WV folks were quite adamant that we had to retain (WT-en) accounts as-is for attribution purposes; do we still consider that necessary or is a merge okay if the users have been verified as identical? LtPowers (talk) 12:33, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

One thing you should figure out before merging accounts is what happens with account settings. If you merge User:(WT-en) Example with User:Example, does the merged account get the e-mail address and password of User:Example, or does it get the e-mail address and password of User:(WT-en) Example? I suppose that most people don't know the passwords to their WT-en accounts and I suppose that there are no e-mail addresses set, so you should be careful not to get a merged account which is inaccessible to the user. Maybe you should start by creating two test accounts and merging those... --Stefan2 (talk) 13:52, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

At the request nothing is really done. The renaming must performed by the bureaucrats.

My experiences with merging: There are two special pages, user rename and user merge. In case of renaming the new account is the same as the old one. And redirects were made from the old to the new one. In case of merging all edits of the old account were transferred to the new one, and the old account is deleted. I think in case of merging the password and email address are taken from the new account.

Some hours age I tested it with my account. There was another problem. At first I renamed my new but not used name because it was attached to SUL. After this SUL was removed. Then I renamed my old name to the new one and attached it to SUL. Then I merged both accounts. It was working. --RolandUnger (talk) 14:29, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Roland, are we free to merge the (WT-en) accounts with their owners' real accounts, then? LtPowers (talk) 18:38, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes. --RolandUnger (talk) 19:09, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

For reference, I just tried this on my own account by doing the following:

1. Go to Special:UserMerge and enter "(WT-en) Wrh2" as the old user and "Wrh2" as the new user. I also selected the "delete old user" checkbox.
2. After merging, Special:Contributions/(WT-en)_Wrh2 shows zero contributions, User:(WT-en)_Wrh2 has been deleted, and User:(WT-en)_Wrh2 shows "account is not registered". All good.
3. Special:Contributions/Wrh2 shows my contributions going back to 2005.

The results of the merge were the following (message keys apparently need creating):

<usermerge-editcount-success>
<usermerge-updating>
<usermerge-updating>
<usermerge-updating>
<usermerge-updating>
<usermerge-updating>
<usermerge-updating>
<usermerge-updating>
<usermerge-updating>
<usermerge-updating>
<usermerge-updating>
<usermerge-updating>
<usermerge-updating>
<usermerge-updating>
<usermerge-updating>
<usermerge-updating>
<usermerge-updating>
<usermerge-updating>
<usermerge-updating>
<usermerge-success> 
<usermerge-page-deleted>
<usermerge-page-deleted>
<usermerge-page-deleted>
<usermerge-page-deleted>
<usermerge-page-deleted>
<usermerge-page-deleted>
<usermerge-page-deleted>
<usermerge-page-deleted>
<usermerge-page-deleted>
<usermerge-page-deleted>
<usermerge-page-deleted>
<usermerge-page-deleted>
<usermerge-userdeleted>

So if I'm understanding correctly, the migration process should be the following:

1. User requests a merge, providing a link to proof that the two accounts are the same.
2. Bureaucrat moves the old user page to the new user account name (User:(WT-en) Wrh2 → User:Wrh2) so that the content is maintained. Overwrite any new user page (and talk page) that may have been created.
3. Bureaucrat uses Special:UserMerge to migrate the user, deleting the old user.

Does that seem correct? -- Ryan • (talk) • 19:24, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

It seems correct. If the user agree it seems useful to delete the old and empty account. But when anybody signed a comment then is signature is red. If the old account is not deleted you can write a redirect to the old user page. Maybe you should discuss it. --RolandUnger (talk) 19:33, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

I just tested it out, and I think deleting the old account is the way to go. We can still create redirects (even though User:(WT-en) LtPowers is no longer a registered user, I can still create that page and #REDIRECT it to User:LtPowers), or we can go through and replace signatures (which is what we did on the import from WT to WV last month anyway, only in reverse). LtPowers (talk) 19:44, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Boo! ...I'm a ghost

Hi, I am currently logged into Wikivoyage.org as rogerhc. So the following message box, displayed to me on Wikivoyage:User account migration, which states "User does not exist" is confusing. I thought someone had already merged my (en_WT)_rogerhc user (I probably have that format wrong but you know what I mean) and I had given permission to move my data to WMF as I did make an attempt to have that done before the move (posted a diff of my WT edit somewhere or other). Maybe it didn't go through or maybe I am just confused. The technical cleanup that is happening is confusing me. Anyway, I hope this feedback is helpful. I will continue to click away all the same and see if I can scramble the eggs. I have just a moment ago Merged my WMF accounts, which is presumably why "Global Name is Taken", but somehow my Wikivoyage.org account is a ghost and didn't get found there or here. But the Wikivoyage.org database knows me as I am logged in right now. :-) --Rogerhc (talk) 17:17, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Username: Rogerhc

    Status: Global Name is Taken
    Global Id: 15246078
    Merge Date: 2012-11-13T16:41:44Z

Wikis

    en.wikivoyage.org: User does not exist
    de.wikivoyage.org: User does not exist
    it.wikivoyage.org: User does not exist
    fr.wikivoyage.org: undefined
    sv.wikivoyage.org: User does not exist
    nl.wikivoyage.org: User does not exist
    ru.wikivoyage.org: undefined

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Mortal again

Alas, I am mortal again. I did the MergeAccount thing *again* just to be sure and this time it found my Wikivoyage.org account and connected it. This may be a two step process!: (1) MergeAccounts, (2) UnifyAccounts. I'm not sure. Is it supposed to be? If so, we might want to say so in the MergeAccounts instructions. As I don't understand the process I will forgo trying to clarify the instructions there. Someone who understands what is going on could perhaps do that. :-) --Rogerhc (talk) 17:25, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Requests

The requests below are created automatically by the "Request Username Merge" form on Wikivoyage:User account migration. See the instructions for requesting a username merge.

Request for Rename 'Unger' > 'RolandUnger'

User "Unger" is requesting that username "Unger" is renamed and merged with the username "RolandUnger"

It's done and checked by passwords. --RolandUnger (talk) 09:34, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Request for Rename 'Sterio' > 'Sterio'

User "Sterio" is requesting that username "Sterio" is renamed and merged with the username "Sterio"

Could you please clarify the two usernames, as the ones you have written are identical. JamesA ^>talk 11:20, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Request for Rename '(WT-en) Mxn' > 'Mxn'

User "Mxn" is requesting that username "(WT-en) Mxn" is renamed and merged with the username "Mxn"

Verification – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 12:38, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

• Done. LtPowers (talk) 14:47, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Request for Rename '(WT-en) Ikan Kekek' > 'Ikan Kekek'

User "Ikan Kekek" is requesting that username "(WT-en) Ikan Kekek" is renamed and merged with the username "Ikan Kekek" Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:46, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Done. -- Ryan • (talk) • 20:26, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Request for Rename '(WV-en) Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton' > 'Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton'

User "Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton" is requesting that username "(WV-en) Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton" is renamed and merged with the username "Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton"

Request for Rename '(WT-en) DixonD' > 'DixonD'

User "DixonD" is requesting that username "(WT-en) DixonD" is renamed and merged with the username "DixonD"

Request for Rename 'Jpatokal' > 'Jpatokal'

User "Jpatokal" is requesting that username "Jpatokal" is renamed and merged with the username "Jpatokal"

Could you please clarify the two usernames, as the ones you have written are identical. JamesA ^>talk 07:06, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Request for Rename '(WT-en) Globe-trotter' > 'Globe-trotter'

User "Globe-trotter" is requesting that username "(WT-en) Globe-trotter" is renamed and merged with the username "Globe-trotter". My account has been verified here [3]. I'd also like that account to be linked to my SUL Globe-trotter. --Globe-trotter (talk) 17:01, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

It's done. --RolandUnger (talk) 17:29, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Request for Merge etc. '(WT-en) + (WV-en/general/shared/de/wts)jc8136' to 'jc8136'

User "jc8136" requests ther merger of '(WT-en) + (WV-en/general/shared/de/wts)jc8136' as verified on the old WV-general. I also own the WMF jc8136 account that could be merged as well. Impressive to see how many accounts come down to one person ;-) Jc8136 (talk) 18:21, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

• Done., but User:(WV-en) jc8136 doesn't exist, and there's nothing I can do about your account on the other languages. LtPowers (talk) 15:02, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Oh and merging your account with your WMF global account is up to you: Go to Special:MergeAccount. LtPowers (talk) 15:03, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Request for Rename '(WT-en) Yann' > 'Yann'

User "Yann" is requesting that username "(WT-en) Yann" is renamed and merge with the username "Yann". Special:PermanentLink/1715805 shows that User:(WT-en) Yann is the same as fr:Utilisateur:Yann, and Special:CentralAuth/Yann shows that fr:Utilisateur:Yann is the same as User:Yann. Yann (talk) 18:54, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

• Done. LtPowers (talk) 21:17, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Thanks a lot! Yann (talk) 06:39, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Request for merging '(WT-en) Stefan2' + 'Stefan2'

Not many edits, but I guess that it may still be useful to unite the accounts. Please merge the two accounts, and then delete the (WT-en) one. Evidence here (note that it's the first revision of the page) and archived here in case someone decides to oversight the page before you've read this. Connection with the Wikipedia account is given here. --Stefan2 (talk) 21:11, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Done. LtPowers (talk) 21:22, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Request for Rename '(WT-en) Sumone10154' > 'Sumone10154'

User "Sumone10154" is requesting that username "(WT-en) Sumone10154" is renamed and merged with the username "Sumone10154" verified here –sumone10154^(talk) 03:32, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Done. Note that there were duplicates of your user pages, so prior to merging I moved all of them to User:Sumone10154/Archive. -- Ryan • (talk) • 04:32, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Request for Rename '(WT-en) Felix505' > 'Felix'

User "Felix" is requesting that username "(WT-en) Felix505" is renamed and merged with the username "Felix" Please note I am also Felix505 at Wikipedia. verified here -- Felix (talk) 05:20, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

• Done. Note that I moved your existing user and talk pages to User:Felix/Archive and User talk:Felix/Archive. -- Ryan • (talk) • 05:36, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

• You are most kind, thank you. -- Felix (talk) 06:21, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Request for Rename '(WT-en) Kulmalukko' > 'Kulmalukko'

User "Kulmalukko" is requesting that username "(WT-en) Kulmalukko" is renamed and merged with the username "Kulmalukko". My WT accounts have been verified here. --Kulmalukko (talk) 12:07, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

• Done. LtPowers (talk) 14:55, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Request for Rename '(WT-en) Pigsonthewing' > 'Pigsonthewing'

User "Pigsonthewing" is requesting that username "(WT-en) Pigsonthewing" is renamed and merged with the username "Pigsonthewing". Pigsonthewing's evidence. Pigsonthewing (talk) 14:03, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Done. LtPowers (talk) 14:57, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Request for Rename '(WT-en) Wandering' > 'RegentsPark'

User "RegentsPark" is requesting that username "(WT-en) Wandering" is renamed and merged with the username "RegentsPark"

Confirmed on wikivoyage old that I control both accounts. --RegentsPark (talk) 15:49, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Request for Rename '(WT-en) Waldir' > 'Waldir'

User "Waldir" is requesting that username "(WT-en) Waldir" is renamed and merged with the username "Waldir"