Talk:Indochina
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Merge with Southeast Asia
[edit]I propose that we merge this article with Southeast Asia. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 03:37, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
- Support -- this is an old name, not a region. Ground Zero (talk) 15:15, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
- I disagree. Indochina is Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam, which is not the same as Southeast Asia and is a region as well as an old name. Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:52, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
- Of course you're right -- I had a temporary loss of sanity. But I don't see a need for a separate article. (Apparently, the Wikivoyage community hasn't seen the need to add any substantive information to the article in the 13 years since it was imported from the predecessor site.) This nomenclature issue can be addressed in the introduction to the Southeast Asia article. Ground Zero (talk) 17:25, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
- I disagree. This brief article is all that's needed, but it's good to have, IMO. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:56, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
- You'd rather have a definitional article that provides no travel information than incorporating the definition into an article that does provide travel information? Do we have other definitional articles? Ground Zero (talk) 23:09, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
- Persian Gulf would be another example. Yes, I would. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:54, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
- Sorry to jump in so late, but this article should stay. But I'd be happy to remove the mention of Peninsular Malaysia from the article. That was something I added in based on what I read in Wikipedia, but in practice, I have never heard of Peninsular Malaysia ever being referred to as part of Indochina. On the other hand, I've heard people using a loose definition of Indochina that includes Thailand and Myanmar, although I think perhaps a more appropriate name for such a grouping would be the Mekong Nations (strictly not correct though, since the Mekong actually starts in China). The dog2 (talk) 21:00, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
- There was no consensus to merge when this was proposed, so the proposal was removed. Ground Zero (talk) 22:08, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
- Sorry to jump in so late, but this article should stay. But I'd be happy to remove the mention of Peninsular Malaysia from the article. That was something I added in based on what I read in Wikipedia, but in practice, I have never heard of Peninsular Malaysia ever being referred to as part of Indochina. On the other hand, I've heard people using a loose definition of Indochina that includes Thailand and Myanmar, although I think perhaps a more appropriate name for such a grouping would be the Mekong Nations (strictly not correct though, since the Mekong actually starts in China). The dog2 (talk) 21:00, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
- Persian Gulf would be another example. Yes, I would. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:54, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
- You'd rather have a definitional article that provides no travel information than incorporating the definition into an article that does provide travel information? Do we have other definitional articles? Ground Zero (talk) 23:09, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
- I disagree. This brief article is all that's needed, but it's good to have, IMO. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:56, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
- Of course you're right -- I had a temporary loss of sanity. But I don't see a need for a separate article. (Apparently, the Wikivoyage community hasn't seen the need to add any substantive information to the article in the 13 years since it was imported from the predecessor site.) This nomenclature issue can be addressed in the introduction to the Southeast Asia article. Ground Zero (talk) 17:25, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
- I disagree. Indochina is Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam, which is not the same as Southeast Asia and is a region as well as an old name. Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:52, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
- Comment: A Wikipedia page move request might be of interest. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 21:12, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
- They reached the wrong conclusion, in my opinion, and I don't think we should follow their error. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:40, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
Scope
[edit]Should we keep the definition to only the narrowest one (the former French Indochina), or do you think it will be better if we expand the scope to include Thailand and Myanmar as well? The dog2 (talk) 01:55, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
- If you include Thailand and Myanmar, wouldn't that be the same thing as Southeast Asia minus Timor and parts of Indonesia? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 02:38, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
- I'd say it'd be about half of Southeast Asia. That would exclude Malaysia, Brunei, Singapore and the Philippines too. The dog2 (talk) 03:04, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
- I vote for narrowest. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:07, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
- If it is going to be expanded, then I think we should go back to the idea of merging it into Southeast Asia. It is probably better to leave it as is, but improve it by adding text to the See and Do sections, which sit empty now. Ground Zero (talk) 11:12, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
- I vote for narrowest. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:07, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
- I wouldn't merge it back into Southeast Asia because the two terms are not congruent. I started this thread because of the ambiguity of the term. The term also implies a certain degree of cultural similarity, which is why Thailand and Myanmar are often included as well. I will try to expand those other sections whenever I have time, but I have not been to Laos or Cambodia, so that limits what I can do. I can contribute a bit though when it comes to sites in Vietnam. The dog2 (talk) 16:48, 4 October 2021 (UTC)