Talk:Macedonia (Greece)

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Macedonia hierarchy[edit]

The subdivision of Macedonia in West, Central- and East brings no additional information but is just confusing, or unnecessary. My suggestion would be to bundle the info all in the main article and to delete the subdirectories west, middle, east. Is it really necessary in a travel guide to list the administrative regions? There is Wikipedia for that. I think touristy places should be described here. DocWoKav (talk) , 26 January 2019

@DocWoKav : Is this the final structure of this region? If so there is still a lot of work to do. The city articles in this region need to have the {{isPartOf}} parameter updated and the remaining old regions redirected. --Traveler100 (talk) 06:23, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
@Traveler100 : In my opinion the remaining old West-, East-, Central-Macedonia can be deleted. Than remains the change of FYROM-Macedonia into North Macedonia and to delete the (Greece) behind Macedonia, because the confusion about what is Macedonia is finally solved. DocWoKav (talk) , 15 February 2019
I don't agree with your last suggestion. The now-North Macedonia is also part of Macedonia. I think that Macedonia should be a redirect page only. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:07, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
I think this region should stay as Macedonia (Greece), Macedonia article should become a disambiguation page or Extra-region page. But the other action still stands. Sub-regions have been removed the breadcrumbs of the city articles need to be updated. --Traveler100 (talk) 08:56, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
Although Greek patriotism says Macedonia is only Greek your proposals are of course right. DocWoKav (talk) , 15 February 2019

I think this reorganisation has caused some problems. The following regions have been left without a parent region: Chalkidiki which has 3 sub-regions, Pella (region) Pieria Serres (region) Thessaloniki (region); about 25 cities, too many to be merged into this region. But some or all of these should be merged as only a few articles in each. --Traveler100 (talk) 19:03, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

@DocWoKav: please stop reorganising and deleting regions until you have explained what the end goal is. No one can correctly help fix the problems with the structure if the end state is not clear. So discussion may need to take place. --Traveler100 (talk) 09:35, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
My suggestion, at least as a starting point is to have a sub-region for Chalkidiki. --Traveler100 (talk) 09:41, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
Sorry, seems I was too fast. I just put all the regions you mentioned directly to Macedonia. God knows who created all this region articles in a small country like Greece. Lets put all on Macedonia without any sub region would be my proposal. DocWoKav (talk)
Some of the sub regions need to be cleaned up first, for example city location may need to be created to handle the points of interest listing in regions like Northern Chalkidiki and Serres (region). you may find that you are looking at over 30 city article in Central Macedonia. Alternatively some of the smaller rgion articles can be made city articles covering an area of small settlements and remote beaches and historical ruins. --Traveler100 (talk) 09:54, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
Take a look at Kassandra, Sithonia and Northern Chalkidiki. How can all this information be handled in the Central Macedonia article? Propose a method of handling these areas. Should city article be merged? Should more city be created? Can these sub-regions be merged to Chalkidiki region? Look at this in detail and propose a good solution, then others will be willing to help do the leg work of cleaning this area up. --Traveler100 (talk) 10:06, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
If you agree I can put 1) the Info of Northern Chalkidiki into Chalkidiki. 2) the Info of Serres (region) into Serres. Than Northern Chalkidiki and Serres (region) can be deleted. DocWoKav (talk)
That is a possible start but does not solve how to address sub-regions like Sithonia. Need to understand the big picture of where things are going. --Traveler100 (talk) 10:36, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
Unfortunately, I do not understand the problem properly. I think that with Chalkidiki everything is ok as it is. The arrangement Europe> Greece> Northern Greece> Macedonia (Greece)> Chalkidiki> Sithonia is right in my eyes and needs no change. I suggest piece by piece to eliminate the mess with too many regions and villages without valuable content. DocWoKav (talk)
I think Chalkidiki region structure is in a good state. Other regions of Macedonia (Greece) should be looked at removing. Suggested plan of action.
  • Move listings in sub-region pages into city pages. If settlement page does not exist near listing(s) then create one for the municipality it is in (or the major town of that municipality).
  • Add all cities to Macedonia (Greece), except those in Chalkidiki
  • Merge any other useful text and pictures in sub-regions either to city pages or to Macedonia.
  • Redirect sub-regions to this article.
  • Evaluate all city articles, if are a good size or can conceivably be expanded to usable keep, if small and no chance of improvement look at merging with another nearby city article.
  • Once have good list of city articles see how main Macedonia (Greece) looks and re-discuss if sub-regions need creating.

Should help get rid of the current confusion and mix of minor sub-regions. --Traveler100 (talk) 07:08, 17 February 2019 (UTC)