Unless we're going to characterize Northeast Wales and Northwest Wales, I'd prefer to leave the headers out entirely. --(WT-en) Evan 16:27, 12 Dec 2005 (EST)
I think the changed page is considerably better. It links to the counties, it has the new MoS style, and it leaves out the pseudo-regions in NE and NW. So, unless you have a good reason, please don't roll back. --(WT-en) Evan 02:25, 13 Dec 2005 (EST)
Hi sir, I had just written an explanation for my roll back, but I guess you were on line at the same time, and my reply got pushed out. That's life! Anyway, my point was this: While it is true that the main cultural divide in Wales is along the north - south axis, there is also a strong east-west division. The BBC web-side divides its local news along these lines: However, if you feel that the region listing is not helpful, then I will leave it to your discretion how to proceed. Furthermore, the original listings had 'counties and boroughs'. This is because in the British system, certain urban areas are classed as both a borough/city and county. Wrexham is one such place. I guess that it had not be listed under 'cities', because there is nothing of interest for tourists. In South Wales, Cardiff, Swansea and Newport are all classed a 'city and county', and because there are sites of interest to tourist and business people in these places, they appear under both the 'cities' and 'counties' lists. If you want to choose only one for Wrexham, then put it under 'cities' as it is an urban area. That's it. Sorry for rolling back before first explaining/discussing my reasons. 13 Dec 05
Can someone who is familiar with creating region maps create a new one for North Wales with Denbighshire, Flintshire and Wrexham (county) merged. Maybe also new colours that are not so close to each other. --Traveler100 (talk) 20:14, 12 September 2016 (UTC)Reply
Of the current list, I would definitely keep the following 7: Bangor (major city by N Wales standards, lively student/seaside town, access to Anglesey), Blaenau (UNESCO WHS, major attractions, in the middle of Snowdonia), Caernarfon (UNESCO WHS, very touristy, culturally important), Conwy (UNESCO WHS, seaside resort), Llandudno (major seaside resort), Tywyn (previous OtBP, lots to see, represents the south), and Wrexham (largest city by far in N. Wales, increasingly famous football club).
We could also keep Denbigh or Dolgellau, but I would argue for including the previously omitted Llangollen. However, that would make 10, so one of out of these three would have to be eliminated:
Denbigh - pros: lots of POIs and events, adds geographical balance away from north west (which most of the above 7 are in). Con: doesn't have any 'must see/do if in North Wales' POIs. The events are of regional, rather than [inter]national importance.
Dolgellau - pros: very pretty, good access to southern Snowdonia and culturally significant. Cons: barely a town, only two 'See' listings. Most of the POIs are in the surrounding area.
Llangollen - pros: UNESCO WHS, varied attractions, annual international music and dance competition, not in the north west. Cons: quite near Wrexham, most of the attractions are in the surrounding area.
My rationale for removing the remaining ones on the current list: Colwyn Bay is very near Llandudno but more rundown, and there are lots of seaside resorts listed already. St Asaph and Llanfairfechan are in no way big or interesting enough to be listed at this level.
