Template talk:See also

Rename

Any objection to renaming this template from the awkward "seealso" to "see also"? That would have the added benefit of being consistent with other Mediawiki wikis - it seems odd to have a template that is essentially shared across wikis but that uses different naming. -- Ryan • (talk) • 02:47, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Rename now done. -- Ryan • (talk) • 01:03, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

"Seealso" phrasebooks

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Should we insert that template in every country article? I feel like it's unnecessary if the language name is linked, but I guess it really doesn't hurt and might help. I was about to delete it from San Marino when I looked at some article for larger countries, some of which had the template and some of which did not. What do you all think? Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:20, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

When I first looked at the Singapore page, I was first confused in seeing four "see also" articles linked. I think they should just be inline links, in a short paragraph saying "Wikivoyage has phrasebooks on xxx languages". SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:47, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

The normal way to do it is to just link the languages, either in the lead of the talk section or in the paragraph discussing each language. For those reading the Talk section I think this is quite enough and easy to grasp. The see alsos are a bit distracting, but may be handy for those just looking for a link to the phrasebook.

In Singapore#Talk the inline links to the languages are a bit hard to find, as the section doesn't have a logical structure: The first paragraph begins with a link to Malay and an unlinked mention of English, while the paragraph mostly discusses Singlish. Only at the end of the section other languages are discussed and linked. If the languages were presented and linked in the first paragraph, and language names in bold where they are principally discussed, they'd be easy to find without the see also – and most readers should read the discussion, not only the phrasebook.

A problem with the see also is that it presents the languages as equally useful, while mostly their usefulness varies greatly. If people who should read the discussion clicks on a see also link, perhaps due to prejudices, then we have done them a misfavour. I don't know whether the shorthand aspect is worth that problem.

–LPfi (talk) 08:44, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Template:Seealso "Mitched"

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what happened to Template:Seealso and its variants being "mitched" ? i dont know how to revert the template or if i even should, but i feel like it shouldnt be that way InvitedRhino683 (talk) 15:39, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

@InvitedRhino683, I don't understand what your concern is. You have made one edit, during which you (incorrectly) placed terminal punctuation at the end of non-sentences (e.g., "Popular trekking region of Nepal with the world-famous Annapurna Circuit." – there's no verb in that phrase, which means there's no sentence, and therefore there should be no period/full stop at the end of it) and removed a {{seealso}} link to South Asian cuisine. Neither the template nor the linked article have been edited for a while. What is it that you think could be reverted? WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:40, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

what ? i saw that someone had posted some "wikivoyage has been mitched" into the nepal article, so i edited that article to remove that, and saw that it had been generated from the seealso template. as for the other thing, that was my bad, sorry. as for the template itself, i checked again and apparently it wasnt like that ?? i dont know what happened with it, i guess i must have just been really dumb. sorry for wasting your time - InvitedRhino683 20:06, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

ok so i just went back and checked the article history and it wasnt even there ??? in any edits before mine ?? i honestly dont know what i was thinking - InvitedRhino683 20:14, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

• it's a long-term-abuse vandal, very familiar to us admins. It was I who took action. If you are curious about this, take a look at WV:Deny recognition and its talk page, to familiarize yourself with the context. Welcome to Wikivoyage. Ibaman (talk) 20:17, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

  @InvitedRhino683, you did the right thing. Thank you for reporting the problem. WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:08, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

  thank you i guess lol - InvitedRhino683 04:25, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

  That reminds me: there were two bouts of widespread vandalism in the last few weeks. (As an example, one of them caused a photo of handguns to appear in a large number of articles, even though the photo wasn't "in" the article.) If you (=anybody) ever see something strange that you can't figure out how to fix, please post. It may be part of a bigger problem. WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:49, 17 February 2023 (UTC)