Talk:Hanseatic League

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Pagebanner[edit]

I just copied the Banner of some other place to avoid the dreaded default banner, but I am quite frankly at a loss what to replace it with. Generally our "history" series have had historic banners... How about an image of the beheading of Klaus Störtebecker? Or a document from the heyday of the Hanse? (preferably in Latin or strangely spelled German). Any suggestions? Hobbitschuster (talk) 15:49, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Possibly The Visby Ransom: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Valdemar_Atterdag_brandskattar_Visby_(1882).jpg /Yvwv (talk) 15:53, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
A ship and some classic architecture would be good. Weser, Bergen --Traveler100 (talk) 16:02, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
That's a good one. I also found this file
imho worth including in any way, whether as a banner or just an image
The caption (in German) reads Hanse days 2014 naval battle. If I am not mistaken one of the boats has Lübeck's colors on the sail. Hobbitschuster (talk) 16:03, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
Should add that to the page, would be a difficult one to make a banner from it. --Traveler100 (talk) 16:47, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
Couple of options --Traveler100 (talk) 18:53, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
Hanseatic banner 02.jpg
The ship in Hanseatic banner 02 seems to be quite modern, perhaps 18th century? --LPfi (talk) 21:14, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
Yeah I would prefer something that could be reasonably interpreted as being from that era. That's why I want to change the banner from what it is now (An East German Hanse city) Hobbitschuster (talk) 21:17, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
Sorry only familiar with modern ship design not too good on my history in that area. Also looking at the image now they are cropped I think I need to till the originals first before cutting. Will wait for more input before doing any more work though. --Traveler100 (talk) 21:20, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
Lisa von Lübeck would be a good one to use but just checked on commons and my on photo collection but non of them obvious good proportions for pagebanner. I have quite a few architecture photos of Hansiain towns but cropping would produce odd bits of buildings. --Traveler100 (talk) 21:28, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Hanseatic events[edit]

First a question: What does this mean?

and as such they hold Hanseatic days of New time

How are those different from Hanseatic days of old time, if those also currently exist?

Also, just in general, I think the best way to improve the '"Hanse" events today' section is to give more information on what such events consist of (I guess at least some include reenactments of battles, but are there also old-fashioned foods, drinks, arts and crafts, for example?).

Good start to this article, everyone. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:28, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

I could ask people who have attended one before. I guess they are different in that the original purpose of organizing the day to day affairs of a wide-reaching trade network are gone. The focus is more if not exclusively on tourism. I think it could be described as a Hanse themed tourism exhibition of sorts, as all cities that want and are able to sent delegations to represent their city, not unlike the countries do at a world exhibition. I hope this is of use Hobbitschuster (talk) 20:16, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
"w:Hanseatic Days of New Time" apparently is just the full, official name of an annual Hansa-themed festival. ϒpsilon (talk) 20:21, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
I think that is one of the sources I used when writing this section way back when Hobbitschuster (talk) 22:07, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Major content updates[edit]

SUMMARY: I am working on making a full listing of all Hanseatic cities, and User:Hobbitschuster suggested that I implement it here, which was my initial idea. I've swept it in here to have everyone related to this page updated. Currently the most notable change would be an indexing of all Hanseatic cities, listed by modern country. I'll be perfecting the page on User:Wauteurz/List of Hanseatic cities. Feel free to help me work on the listings there. No content updates wished there. The messages below have been swept in from User talk:Wauteurz/List of Hanseatic cities#Hanseatic League.

You might have something to add to our travel topic on the Hanseatic League Hobbitschuster (talk) 18:30, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Heya Hobbitschuster, I know of the page. I'm just working out the fine details to avoid having an imperfect page. I've been using Hanzestad (Wikipedia, NL), List of Former Hansa Cities (Wikipedia) and Hanze (Wikipedia, NL) as sources, and am currently working out what the best way to index the cities is. Currently I'm thinking of indexing them by modern country (so Germany, Netherlands, Belgium, Sweden, etc. instead of listing everything Fennoscandian (Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finland) as Danish, or everything in central Europe as the Holy Roman Empire).
Template:Listing might have to be adapted to be able to list over 99 listings, as there are roughly 130 Hanseatic cities in this current list. I will see what is best for the page, and I'll merge this Talk page with that of Hanseatic League to come to an agreement.
-- Wauteurz (talk) 18:57, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

I will delve more into the subject so I have more to add here, in the mean time, feel free to discuss this possible change below.
-- Wauteurz (talk) 19:09, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

To be quite clear, I did not suggest to list all cities that ever had as much as a Hanse Kontor. However, it seems that some of the information contained in the list may fit into this article here. But we are not wikipedia and thus should always keep it travel focused, so a city that neither has any visible traces of its hanseatic heritage nor any place were such heritage might become apparent to the average visitor might better not be listed. That's not a hard and fast rule at any rate, but if you look at Roman Empire you see both the pitfalls, downsides and possible upsides of long lists for a travel guide... Hobbitschuster (talk) 19:47, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
Personally I would be interested in doing a trip to the Hanseatic cities of a country, say the Netherlands, so making the page (or subpages) to be focused on this might be a good idea.
I am totally aware that you never suggested that all cities listed should be added, and I probably won't do so. The Other Hansa cities I need to dive into. I know for a fact that Zutphen and Zwolle were quite large in the Hanse, but the ports in the Shetland Islands such as Lunna Ness and Krambatangi should probably be left out, seen that they've got no more than several hundred citizens anno 2016. I doubt that much of the Hanse will be left there. Perhaps a good aim would be to leave out all of the non-existing pages.
-- Wauteurz (talk) 20:31, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
I think I've found the way to display all cities without having to run out of numbers for listing (See: User:Wauteurz/List_of_Hanseatic_cities/country). I however, need some feedback on what (types of) cities to include and what not to include. My current idea is creating the following subpages for indexation and delving further into the history of the Hanse:
"Germany and Poland", "The Netherlands and Belgium", "The Baltic States", "Scandinavia", "The UK and Iceland*", "The Mediterranean*".
(Marked with an asterix (*) are regions of which I am not sure whether there's anything notable to say, let alone anything noticeable or interesting to the traveller)
I'm looking through some school notes about the Hanse, but they are mostly focused on the Netherlands and Moedernegotie (Dutch trade with the Baltic States), not on the Hanse in general. I will however have to edit it to fit Wikivoyage. I'll see what I can do concerning the content.
-- Wauteurz (talk) 14:22, 12 July 2016 (UTC)