Talk:Katzenelnbogen
Add topicLatest comment: 3 years ago by WhatamIdoing in topic Origin of the name
VFD nomination
[edit]I created this page a couple of weeks ago and am the only person to edit this page. It contains next to no information about the town and I don't think it is necessary to have this page on Wikivoyage. 82.3.185.12 16:57, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
- Our policy at Wikivoyage is not to delete articles about real places. If Katzenelnbogen were merely a dot on the map of minor importance, it might be appropriate to redirect it to the nearest important town, but judging from its article on the German Wikipedia, there are a few visitor attractions in town. So in this case it's okay to just leave the article as is, and someone will eventually fill in the blanks. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 18:17, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
- I know due my history teacher being enarmored with that trivia fact that Katzenelnbogen was also once the name of a sovereign (or close to it) polity within the HRE... Hobbitschuster (talk) 20:56, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per AndreCarrotflower. --Soumya-8974 (he) (talk • contribs) 07:50, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- Keep, perhaps even speedy keep.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:36, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- Keep SHB2000 (talk) 06:48, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Outcome: speedily kept.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 09:06, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
Origin of the name
[edit]Regarding this edit, I would like other opinions. There are two questions:
- does the matter of what the name sounds like in German belong in the lead paragraph or in the Understand section. I do not think that the German homophone is why readers of English Wikivoyage will want to visit the town. (I wonder whether German-speakers visit the town for that reason, but that is neither here nor there.)
- does the matter of the origin of a place name belong in a Wikivoyage article? I think it is generally of interest to travellers. In this article, because we are addressing the sounds of the name (in another language), I think it makes sense to explain that the place was not actually named after a cat's elbow. But more importantly, this isn't an overly long article, so I don't see why it should be removed. Although I've built this article up from a single-listing skeleton, it still isn't a long article. Ground Zero (talk) 17:01, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- what I love about travel guides is when you have some itinerary for the next day, you can read some details upfront in the guide. Having just a list of buildings or states without any deeper info is just boring, you can as well grab local tourist map for that... So esp. for such tiny village, I think any trivia will help making the article enjoyable... -- andree.sk(talk) 19:02, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- I think we should keep the expanation of the name. If it sounds humorous locals, they may laugh or smile when a travellers says where they are going and it is good to know this isn't a comment on something else. AlasdairW (talk) 19:30, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- I think one sentence is probably about right for the name. I don't think we need a full etymology. WhatamIdoing (talk) 15:56, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- @WhatamIdoing: The origin of the name was covered in one sentence. What it sounds like in German is covered in one sentence. Is that too much for this article? Which sentence would you remove? Ground Zero (talk) 16:11, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- I think the bit about what it sounds like in German is more important than what the name might actually mean. WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:30, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- @WhatamIdoing: There are three of us here who think that the name origin is interesting. Do you think that the article is too long to include this? Ground Zero (talk) 16:53, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- @AlasdairW and @Andree.sk, there seem to be two bits of text being discussed. They are:
- Historians have speculated that the name derives from Cattimelibocus, a combination of two words: the ancient Germanic tribal name of the Chatti and Melibokus, a generic Roman name for "mountains".
- Its name can be considered somewhat humorous for German-speakers as it sounds identical to the phrase "cat's elbow" in German.
- Personally, I like #2 (currently in the article), but I don't think that #1 (currently not in the article) is important. Do you think that both should be included? WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:40, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- @AlasdairW and @Andree.sk, there seem to be two bits of text being discussed. They are:
- @WhatamIdoing: There are three of us here who think that the name origin is interesting. Do you think that the article is too long to include this? Ground Zero (talk) 16:53, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- I think the bit about what it sounds like in German is more important than what the name might actually mean. WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:30, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- @WhatamIdoing: The origin of the name was covered in one sentence. What it sounds like in German is covered in one sentence. Is that too much for this article? Which sentence would you remove? Ground Zero (talk) 16:11, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- I think one sentence is probably about right for the name. I don't think we need a full etymology. WhatamIdoing (talk) 15:56, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- I think we should keep the expanation of the name. If it sounds humorous locals, they may laugh or smile when a travellers says where they are going and it is good to know this isn't a comment on something else. AlasdairW (talk) 19:30, 5 May 2021 (UTC)