Talk:Skopje

I question whether this article is usable at this point. Is it not possible to add street addresses for the attractions and restaurants? (WT-en) OldPine 10:05, 23 September 2007 (EDT)

Undo edit?

This edit looks not right It removed a lot of detail. Should we undo? --Andrewssi2 (talk) 01:28, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

I think we should, yes. Ibaman (talk) 11:51, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

As the new edit says that the bus and trains stations are adjacent to each other, which I take as lying next to each other, I think I can confidently say that the sentences in question were written by someone who hasn't even been to this transporten centar as it's called in Skopje, since the train and bus stations are not next to each other in the typical sense, but rather on the top of each other — the bus station is on the ground floor while the viaduct over it (which is the roof of the bus station building itself) carries the railway tracks and the station. Vidimian (talk) 16:25, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for undoing. I don't usually ask for advice on edits like this, but in this case without knowing Skopje I was unable to judge whether the new content was better than the deleted content. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 22:13, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Separate into Districts?

I'm planning on doing some contributing to this guide and I think it may be best to separate this into three districts: Centar, Stara Čaršija (Čair Municipality), and Elsewhere (the other 8 municipalities of Skopje). There are plenty of sights, places to shop, to eat, to drink, and to sleep in each of the three potential districts. Thoughts? Local hero (talk) 01:27, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Just looking at the "See" section, it seems like you're right. What do other people think? Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:52, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I agree, if you're willing to fill those districts up a but. There's definitely no lack of things to see or do :) I like the proposed division also. I don't think we usually go with "elsewhere", but I think it makes sense for Skopje. JuliasTravels (talk) 09:09, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

I'd suggest first to fill up all missing coordinates in See section. After this it'll be easier to see on a map where sight are located and thereafter whether proposed city division is good enough (i.e. all three proposed districts have enough sights and at the same time each of them doesn't have too many sights which will require further division of it somewhere in the future). --Kiaora (talk) 11:31, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

I'm only a little familiar with the Centar and Stara Čaršija, but following the Vardar River — which defines the geographical and cultural division of Skopje — seems like a good districtification scheme for this not-so-big city. Stara Čaršija (or even Skopje/Old town) is a more preferable name to Čair, as most travellers won't have an exact idea on where a municipality starts and where the other ends or even their official names, I guess. I also second Kiaora on coordinating the listings as much as possible to see their positions on the map first. Vidimian (talk) 12:43, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Not familiar at all with this part of Europe, but the article does have a fair amount of content, so I guess it's OK to districtify it. Adding coordinates first is a very good idea, especially for the places that are close to the district borders. Also, as others have said, it's good to have some kind of balance between the districts (of course, like any city in the world the central parts have much more to offer to travelers than suburbs). ϒpsilon (talk) 16:41, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

I've begun adding the coordinates in the See section. If 'Elsewhere' isn't a good district name, maybe 'Outer Skopje' is better. Basically, Stara Čaršija would contain the old town, the fortress and some newer museums; Centar would contain Macedonia Square, other museums, and much of the Skopje 2014 monuments; the third district would contain Matka Canyon, Vodno Mountain, the Aqueduct, and a few minor sites. I think it'll be pretty balanced. Local hero (talk) 18:37, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

"Outer Skopje" sounds better in English, I think. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:22, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Yes, that's a very idiomatic phrase. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:28, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

The coordinates have now all been added to the See listings. I guess I'll start building the three district articles in a sandbox. Does anyone know where I could find someone to create the map of the districts? I don't think I know how to do it. Local hero (talk) 18:59, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

While I honestly find (or found) the instructions at Wikivoyage:How to draw static maps confusing, they might be of help. Strangely, Wikivoyage:Mapmaking Expedition has no members listed, but the Wikivoyage:Regions map Expedition members are also experienced in drawing maps, including those of the districts, but most users there seem to be inactive currently. Vidimian (talk) 15:49, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for finding these links. I'll see if I can get some help from those users. Local hero (talk) 00:15, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

I've gotten the three district articles ready (check them out: Centar, Stara Čaršija, Outer Skopje). Should Stara Čaršija be called Old Bazaar or Old Town instead? I'm not sure which is best. Other than that, I think they're good to go. I'll soon create them then add the District section and condense the info in the main article. Local hero (talk) 00:15, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

The districts look quite good (would be nice to have a few more Eat and Drink listings in Stara Čaršija and Outer Skopje but these you can always add later). For the old town, I think we should use Stara Čaršija, on Wikivoyage we usually use local names for established districts whenever possible.

Ps. if nobody else volunteers to draw a district map, I can help with it. ϒpsilon (talk) 04:49, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

I could help with the map, but I would need a public domain source and a clear definition of each district boundary. Powers ^(talk) 21:16, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

OpenStreetMap seems to have the borders drawn for all of Skopje's municipalities. However, slight adjustments are needed for purposes of the travel guides. I sketched the borders around Centar and Stara Čaršija. Outer Skopje would simply be everything else around those two within the city limits. Local hero (talk) 03:45, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Any luck with this? Local hero (talk) 20:37, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

Oh, sorry, I missed your reply somehow. Unfortunately, I'm a little busy at the moment, don't know if I can get to this. Powers ^(talk) 01:43, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

District map is up. BTW, once all listings have been moved to the district articles, they should be deleted from here. The sections in the main article should contain a few paragraphs briefly describing what you can find where (example: Santiago de Chile which I pretty much myself districtified a few months back). ϒpsilon (talk) 18:28, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Many thanks for making the map, Ypsilon. I'll get started on taking listings out of this page. Local hero (talk) 19:37, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Revisiting districts 2024-25

@Local hero, LtPowers, Ypsilon, Ikan Kekek, Vidimian, Kiaora, JuliasTravels: I moved the listings from Skopje to the district articles as much as I was able. This has made Skopje/Outer Skopje a very large article, so I think it is time to split it up into more useful articles. I am not familiar with the city, so it would be better led by someone else, but I would willing to assist. Ground Zero (talk) 14:45, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for doing that. Yes Outer Skopje is a long article even before your additions. It originally included Skopje/Matka Canyon, but I split that off to reduce the size. An idea for splitting further would be making a separate guide for Čučer-Sandevo Municipality (which could also be titled Skopska Crna Gora as they seem to largely overlap). Local hero (talk) 17:13, 14 December 2024 (UTC)