Talk:Yunlin County

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Sub-regions[edit]

The following wikipedia like townships and rural townships was added. I have moved here.

Presently they are just a list collection not adding any value. If required they could be used in future to expand on this town Andrewssi2 (talk) 02:32, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Rural townships[edit]

Listing labyrinth[edit]

Swept in from the pub

Someone started comprehensively filling this county's article of Taiwan. However, most listings are without any valuable information, and I feel this is not very much of a help to travellers, because 1) we certainly do not want to replace Openstreetmap nor Google Maps - this is just duplicating their information without any updates guaranteed, 2) finding the actual valuable information in between all this "noise" now became more difficult.

I mean we should point out what is of interest to the traveller, not overwhelm him with countless and contentless listings, right? Not to mention the map that becomes similar unbearable.

Is there a guideline to handle this situation? Should we reduce the content to actual relevant listing? Thoughts?

Cheers Ceever (talk) 15:24, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Ceever. Based on your description, I was expecting something much worse than what I see in this article. Most of the listings have some degree of description, though the list of night markets is indeed completely contentless. I think part of the solution could be to create articles for more of the towns in the county and move listings to those new articles. Of course I do agree that there should be descriptions of every point of interest, but I'm unconvinced the number of listings is an issue. I did see a peculiar description, though:
  • 1 House of Citizen-Memorial Hall of Attendance (行啟紀念公民會館). The hall was built for the Crown Prince Hirohito's visit to Taiwan in 1841. Wu Keming initiated the construction of the hall with funds he raised from community donations and government. It was also used as a public gathering venue for residents for meetings, seminars, banquets, and performances. House of Citizen-Memorial Hall of Attendance (Q21473088) on Wikidata House of Citizen-Memorial Hall of Attendance on Wikipedia
1841? What year was this really built? If this refers to w:Hirohito, he wasn't even born till 1901 and would have been Crown Prince till 25 December 1926, when he became Emperor. So if this was built in a year ending in 1, 1921 seems most likely, as he would have been 19 or 20. In 1911, he would have been 9 or 10. Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:25, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
That was something I edited to try to make sense of it, but the original says the same thing:
"The establishment of the hall originated from the Crown Prince Hirohito's visit to Taiwan in 1841. The construction of the hall was initiated by Wu Keming, with funds he raised from community donations and government funds. It was alsoused as a public gathering venue for residents for meetings, seminars, banquets, and performances."
Was there an earlier Crown Prince Hirohito? Ground Zero (talk) 16:42, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
I thought of that, too, but the Wikipedia disambiguation is silent on that question. Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:55, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
Also, Taiwan was occupied by Japan only starting in 1895. I feel it's unlikely this building predates that. Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:56, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
I think the 1841 date is just wrong. w:zh:斗六行啟記念館 says it was built around 1927 in memory of Hirohito's 1923 visit. —Granger (talk · contribs) 00:12, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
That makes sense in terms of its appearance, too. If you feel inspired to do so, please edit the year of completion in the infobox in the Wikipedia article about the building as well as the listing at the linked article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:16, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
You can always step in and split it into smaller regions. Hungary was in such state for long time, until a local hero started redacting it. And it's still ongoing (see e.g. Jász-Nagykun-Szolnok_County). I'd say having more listings is better than none, even if it's currently useless for a traveller - it's surely useful for the editors as a starting point (and it can be cleaned if they turned out to be really useless)... Still, I'd assume the guy adding those listings adds the most interesting stuff, not some encyclopedic lists - but who knows... -- andree.sk(talk) 21:08, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
I don’t think need too many listings without content. After all, we are not Wikipedia or even the phone yellow book, but we provide helpful travel listings. If you think these listings without content are worth interesting, you may Try to place on the discussion page. This is my personal thoughts.--✈ IGOR ✉ TALK?! .WIKIVOYAGER ! 16:44, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
as one of the people who the OP is referring to, I have tried to add any listing which I felt would be of interest to travelers, bearing in mind not all travelers are interested in the same things. I appreciate the suggestion that the article could be split up to reduce the deluge of information and I have actually started doing this for other counties. I haven't got around to Yilan yet, but in the meantime I would appreciate not removing too much content since this will make populating the sub articles more time-consuming. Kdm852 (talk) 13:21, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
@Kdm852: thanks for your work on this article. I think the issue with a lot of these listings is that
(a) they provide a description but no practical information (address, hours, prices) -- the History and culture or Museums and galleries listings under See; or
(b) they provide address information and nothing else -- the long list of night markets, which doesn't help the reader decide which ones to go to; or
(c) they provide just names, like the list of railway stations -- what destinations do these stations serve?
That's why this article feels like a directory, rather than a guide.
If you're going to add details to these listings, then it could become a very useful article. If not, then I don't think it fits well here. I do hope that you will continue to develop this article before moving on to others. Ground Zero (talk) 14:06, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
Pingtung County also seems to suffer from a lot of See and Do listings that have no practical information. Ground Zero (talk) 14:11, 15 March 2020 (UTC)